Let's talk about Alliance roulette and ilvl cheese for a sec.

[kaynide]

it is simple to do such... with your character level, put ILEVEL restriction on Alliance Roulette based out from the level on the job you queu in for if you are level 60 and want to use it for XP then to be able to queu in you need the minimum ilevel for Dun Scaith... you can do that easy and the system of ilevel locks is in the game already and these are very much working as intended.

Simple as that... then you cant just drop all your gear but weapon and queu in alliance roulette, but would need to queu in at the minimum ilevel for your tiers max level 24 man raid at at least the minimum ilevel.

And nope, don't come at and say it would be too difficult all the gear needed can be bought for poetic tomes in which is the general gear currency for below level 90 gear.

This wouldn't fix it. As is, my alts never unlock anything beyond the 2.0 raids. Regardless of iLVL requirements, they will never get 3.0 onwards for the raid roulette.

And I imagine many players are not so interested in raids similarly would prefer not to. My wife is a good example, she did some raids once to see the story, and has regretted unlocking them because there's nothing she wants or needs in them, yet she wants to do roulettes and get XP. She simply hasn't done 4.0 or 5.0 raids and basically never will. I doubt she will touch 6.0. Especially because she can watch me do them and I am happy to replay the story for her via the inn.

Simply doing iLVL requirements and cheesing is not the only issue. Some people just don't want to even unlock the later raids, and there isn't a need to force them to.

And again, beating the remaining pulp of what was a horse, the chance of getting the 2.0 raids are simply the highest because they are required for MSQ progression. Newer players are mostly going to just keep plowing through the story once they hit 50, then 60 and so on without stopping to do in between content until they've exhausted the MSQ. And then? Do they really even want to do Ivalis? really? As opposed to the tons of other side content available to unlock?

Sure, eventually. But in the meantime, it's CT series all day all night until they decide to do otherwise. It's not an exploit if they choose not to unlock optional content.

[Toutatis]

Simply doing iLVL requirements and cheesing is not the only issue. Some people just don't want to even unlock the later raids, and there isn't a need to force them to.

Totally agree. I doubt iLvl cheese is that much of a problem. There are many reasons to get CT other than first time mission and iLvl:

- people may queue for it directly for various reasons (WT book, relics or just “because”);
- there’s probably less people directly queuing for other raids than CT, thus less demand (Roulette is there to help complete duties first and if nobody queues for a specific raid, chances for it to pop are small);
- levelling other jobs and being between level 50-60;
- regardless of level, one may not have reached the point in the story where they can unlock the next raids;
- even with all level 90 characters with everything unlocked, there is the “luck” factor (Free to play are also limited to the first two raid series, so that’s a 50/50 chance to get CT based on luck alone);
- above everything else, other raids are entirely optional and many people don’t unlock them because they don’t want to or don’t know about them (the quest givers can be out of the way). I know several people like the previous poster’s wife who simply don’t like ARs much. There are a few raids I don’t like at all (Dun Scaith, Tower at Paradigm) and I am not unlocking them on my alts.

Also the game is huge and someone starting a new character today has a lot to do before reaching endgame with msq alone and unlocking optional raids may be pretty low in the list of priorities. The same goes when you buy a boost: there are tons of blue quest icons all over the maps and many things are more useful and pressing than optional ARs. Unlocking optional raids itself takes a significant amount of time.

That being said, I seem to get a high ratio of Nier and Ivalice raids these days and even got Aglaia a few times.

[Midareyukki]

That being said, I seem to get a high ratio of Nier and Ivalice raids these days and even got Aglaia a few times.

Gimme. Because every Alliance Raid I've had all week has been CT xD

[Toutatis]

Gimme. Because every Alliance Raid I've had all week has been CT xD

You'd have to change worlds XD

So far in the past 10 days or so I got 2 x Ridorana, 1 x Orbonne, 2x Nier 2, 1 x Nier 3 (that one hurts my eyes), 1x Void Ark and 1 x WoD. I also queued for Nier 2 at like 1 am Eastern to unlock it on an alt and to my surprise waited less than 5 mins although the timer initially said over 30 mins. Maybe I was the missing player lol. It normally doesn't pop that much at that hour so I admit I just got lucky on that one as it was way past prime time. I rarely wait much if it is prime time but at 1am it starts getting a bit more difficult.

[Gemina]

Totally agree. I doubt iLvl cheese is that much of a problem. There are many reasons to get CT other than first time mission and iLvl:

- people may queue for it directly for various reasons (WT book, relics or just “because”);
- there’s probably less people directly queuing for other raids than CT, thus less demand (CT is there to help complete duties first and if nobody queues for a specific raid, chances for it to pop are small);
- levelling other jobs and being between level 50-60;
- regardless of level, one may not have reached the point in the story where they can unlock the next raids;
- even with all level 90 characters with everything unlocked, there is the “luck” factor (Free to play are also limited to the first two raid series, so that’s a 50/50 chance to get CT based on luck alone);
- above everything else, other raids are entirely optional and many people don’t unlock them because they don’t want to or don’t know about them (the quest givers can be out of the way). I know several people like the previous poster’s wife who simply don’t like ARs much. There are a few raids I don’t like at all (Dun Scaith, Tower at Paradigm) and I am not unlocking them on my alts.

What this statement does very strongly, is it let's ilv cheesers know that there really isn't much need to do it at all. This explains in detail why CT has a greater likelihood to come up, and if wanting the roulette to give them something different, the odds are not in their favor. The thing is, two of which are the most likely culprits [duty completion, item level] are excluded by the list header. This can never express the full picture of what's going on. It's like dismissing the primary causes for things like water restrictions, while blaming it on some BS like climate change.

The main problem with this list is a player who qualifies for a higher level raid won't leave things to chance, and will ensure they get a CT raid by reducing their ilv, making everything in that list entirely redundant. This is an exploit. This along with the gripes from players should be everything you need to know that it is affecting the enjoyment of the game's subscribers.

It's crazy to me that anyone even tries to defend this situation with the Alliance Raid roulette. Makes absolutely zero sense, other than players enjoy the easy exp/tomes. They would also be the very first players to complain if the devs even out this playing field. Very much like when unreal trials went from UW to Sephirot. As I said before, the situation with Alliance Raids roulette is a clear exploit, akin to what players were doing with Castrum/Prae prior to 6.1 but without having to eat a penalty for ditching. It will be addressed eventually.

That being said, I seem to get a high ratio of Nier and Ivalice raids these days and even got Aglaia a few times.

That's cool. I got Puppet's Bunker a couple weeks ago. Players in there rejoiced in the chat because they did not get CT.

[kaynide]

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There are a few things though,

1) We don't actually know what percent of players actually iLVL cheese vs other legit reasons to not be able to go to other raids. If we actually knew that a significant amount of players actually cheese, then sure, SE might have a reason to act. Every other reason is legitimate though. You can't tell players they have to unlock optional X at level Y.

2) The roulette is, essentially "I signed up to do a roulette, which will be based on what the entire group of players can do, and agree to do whatever pops in exchange for a fat chunk of XP".
Therefore to not get 2.0,
-Either A) someone actually specifically needs a 60+ raid, and you were randomly selected to get put into it.
-or B) All 24 players meet requirements for the 60+ raid AND no specific player has queued for any specific raid AND the 2.0 raids were not selected randomly via RNG.

3) And again, the solution is easy. Many of them would work and have been discussed ad nauseum, but SE doesn't want to do it.


The roulette pays you for your inconvenience. The game is not going to force players to unlock optional side content because other players -who are signing up to do whatever is placed in front of them regardless of what it is- are bored with the same ol same ol.

[Helbya]

We don't actually know what percent of players actually iLVL cheese vs other legit reasons to not be able to go to other raids.

I do suspect this is a disproportionate perspective for NA servers, probably don't see this at all in JP servers since they're culturally more community minded.

[RyuDragnier]

I do suspect this is a disproportionate perspective for NA servers, probably don't see this at all in JP servers since they're culturally more community minded.

Makes you wonder what the response would be on the JP servers if the english speaking players caused this to happen over there. Like, if they kept getting only CT raids for 2 weeks straight, how would they take it?

[LaylaTsarra]

I do suspect this is a disproportionate perspective for NA servers, probably don't see this at all in JP servers since they're culturally more community minded.

I've seen people queue in naked in Japan. Is it as common as NA I doubt it but don't think it doesn't happen there. I've done my fair share of alliance roulettes on Mana DC. Again I suggest you check your party list to see how many times you're actually in a party without level 50's and that is only 1 of 3 alliances.