DRG getting rework

[Reimmi]

Yes, i'm also worried for the pld rework after what they did to summoner
drg is what i would say a perfect job atm, i do understand that means it's impossible to add onto it now, but if they just prune stuff for the sake of pruning that is pointless and ruins jobs.
i am very concerned due to recent changes.

[Deceptus]

Yes, i'm also worried for the pld rework after what they did to summoner
drg is what i would say a perfect job atm, i do understand that means it's impossible to add onto it now, but if they just prune stuff for the sake of pruning that is pointless and ruins jobs.
i am very concerned due to recent changes.

It's not perfect, there are some things they could definitely tighten up.

Like a lot of other skills, if something is the pre-req for another skill that other skill could just be the original button changed.

They already do this with certain other actions (Geirskogul changing into Nastrond) but not others.

• Wheeling Thrust: Can only be executed while under the effect of Wheel in Motion, granted by Chaotic Spring.
  Update: Make Chaotic Spring icon change to Wheeling Thrust upon execution
  
• Fang and Claw: Can only be executed while under the effect of Fang and Claw Bared, granted by Heavens' Thrust.
  Update: Make Heaven's Thrust icon change to Fang and Claw upon execution
  
• Mirage Dive: Can only be executed when Dive Ready. What causes Dive Ready? Only a single skill: Jump/High Jump
  Update: Jump/High Jump changes to Mirage dive after execution.

Three buttons that don't need to exist and do nothing but cause button bloat.

And this is the reason why job design has been such a trainwreck since 2 expansions, because everything needs to be designed to "appeal to a wider audience".
It isn't enough that DrG mains enjoy the job a lot, it needs the be enjoyed by ALL THE PEOPLE.

You can't expand a job playerbase without enticing non DRG players. If you don't, existing players eventually leave and no one replaces them.

The same goes for any other job.

The problem is, the FFXIV devs have forgotten one of their basic tenets:

If it's not fun, what's the point?



A lot of jobs simply aren't fun anymore.

[Reimmi]

It's not perfect, there are some things they could definitely tighten up.

Like a lot of other skills, if something is the pre-req for another skill that other skill could just be the original button changed.

They already do this with certain other actions (Geirskogul changing into Nastrond) but not others.

• Wheeling Thrust: Can only be executed while under the effect of Wheel in Motion, granted by Chaotic Spring.
  Update: Make Chaotic Spring icon change to Wheeling Thrust upon execution
  
• Fang and Claw: Can only be executed while under the effect of Fang and Claw Bared, granted by Heavens' Thrust.
  Update: Make Heaven's Thrust icon change to Fang and Claw upon execution
  
• Mirage Dive: Can only be executed when Dive Ready. What causes Dive Ready? Only a single skill: Jump/High Jump
  Update: Jump/High Jump changes to Mirage dive after execution.

Three buttons that don't need to exist and do nothing but cause button bloat.



You can't expand a job playerbase without enticing non DRG players. If you don't, existing players eventually leave and no one replaces them.

The same goes for any other job.

The problem is, the FFXIV devs have forgotten one of their basic tenets:

If it's not fun, what's the point?



A lot of jobs simply aren't fun anymore.

I find having lots of buttons to press fun
button bloat is only a problem IMO with stuff like samurai, why does there need to be aoe shoa, aoe guren? this game has very very rare instances where you choose aoe or single target, beyond dungeons. (and yet they removed kaiten instead lol)
The reason drg is impossible to add onto now isn't because of how many buttons it has, it's because its rotation is at its limit, unless they give drg a gcd increase skill they can't add onto it anymore without changing it fundamentally

There are times where doing what you suggest is good, e.g gunbreakers gnashing fang combo being merged so they could add an extra skill in endwalker, but if it's merged without adding anything thats pointless imo

[Deveryn]

Yes, i'm also worried for the pld rework after what they did to summoner
drg is what i would say a perfect job atm, i do understand that means it's impossible to add onto it now, but if they just prune stuff for the sake of pruning that is pointless and ruins jobs.
i am very concerned due to recent changes.

It would be nice for people to stop using summoner as a comparison point. No other class ever attempted to function the same way it did, so you're not going to see such a drastic change.

[Raven2014]

Yes, i'm also worried for the pld rework after what they did to summoner

I believe at someone point EVERY classes will receive the SMN treatment. And that's not because SE is clueless or just want to be busy body. It's because it's a necessity if you want to "regrowth" the class meaningfully for the next 10 years. Ironically, DRG is the perfect example of that.

It's already almost "perfect" right now, what you gonna do to it?

- Pretty much anything else added to it will make it bloat.
- Even if you manage to carefully trim some trivial thing to add some other trivial things, that'll just gonna bandaid thing and you'll have the exact same problem in another expansion.
- Keep the class largely unchanged? Well, they can do that if they plan the next expansion to be the last, but not if it plans to run for another decade.

I know people don't like the SMN change, but I don't mind it. I view it as a necessity evil. It is because SMN is so simple and bare-bone now, it can be freely developed and grow without constraint. And as a bonus now SMN has a track that looks like actual SMN instead of a WoW's Warlock.