This new SYSTEM DOESN'T Work

[Jojoya]

While I am happy for the people who server-transferred and got a house, I don't feel we should accept having to choose between our friends and getting a house. For many of us an MMO isn't as much about the things you 'own' but more about the people you meet.

While I agree in general principle, unfortunately SE didn't design the housing system with that sort of flexibility.

Players who want a house need to deal with the system as it currently is. Dreaming of what it could have been isn't going to make the available houses move from their current worlds to the worlds that need them.

I would be in favour of some bad-luck protection, but having been around for most of the band-aids they've slapped on house purchasing and seen the negative consequences, I'd like them to thoroughly research any method they choose rather than rush in and create a new rash of exploits and issues for us to deal with.

Bad luck protection systems cannot work when it is players competing against players for the prize. They only work when it's the player competing solely against the game.

A lot of people somehow view the chances of a 0% chance vs a 0.0000025% chance as a worthwhile improvement from the small indie dev that is Square Enix.

I dont

Thousands of NA players over the last two weeks have purchased houses and 99.9% of them had zero competition for their plot. Considering you're on Marilith, you're probably one of them.

Why pretend that 99.9% chance that SE gave you was only 0.0000025%?

Would it be nice if SE could adopt LotRO's system of adding new wards as needed just on the worlds where they are needed? Of course. They should have better researched what MMO players expect from housing before implementing a half-baked system that doesn't meet player expectations.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be possible with their game set-up. In that case, players need to seize what opportunity may be presented to them if they're going to get what they want. Or they can sit in the forums complaining and do without.

Hopefully, you weren't trying to go after one of the premium plots that had what little competition there was so you have your house now. If you didn't win, there are still houses left for the next lottery and you can get one then.

[Oizen]

Thousands of NA players over the last two weeks have purchased houses and 99.9% of them had zero competition for their plot. Considering you're on Marilith, you're probably one of them.

Why pretend that 99.9% chance that SE gave you was only 0.0000025%?

Would it be nice if SE could adopt LotRO's system of adding new wards as needed just on the worlds where they are needed? Of course. They should have better researched what MMO players expect from housing before implementing a half-baked system that doesn't meet player expectations.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be possible with their game set-up. In that case, players need to seize what opportunity may be presented to them if they're going to get what they want. Or they can sit in the forums complaining and do without.

Hopefully, you weren't trying to go after one of the premium plots that had what little competition there was so you have your house now. If you didn't win, there are still houses left for the next lottery and you can get one then.

You're leaving out the part where I had to leave a server and a free company to go to a new server that is so cripplingly dead that you have to DC travel to do the MSQ.

I got the house, but I'm not going to sit on a high horse like you and pretend the system is great. Its dogshit really.
I seized said oppertuntiy at the price it came for, but I'm not going to act like its reasonable or there aren't inexcusable faults in the system, nor am I going to make excuses for a multi billion dollar corporation thats been investing less and less into this game since endwalker dropped.

Said server is now out of Larges and has a handful of mediums left, in a month we'll be right back to the 0% vs 0.00000000025% metric of the old system vs the new one save for smalls. I just wish they'd focus on solutions instead of bandaids.
I guess I expect more from a Buy 2 Play Subscription based game held by a corporation as large as Square Enix.

[Eraden]

You're leaving out the part where I had to leave a server and a free company to go to a new server that is so cripplingly dead that you have to DC travel to do the MSQ.

I got the house, but I'm not going to sit on a high horse like you and pretend the system is great. Its dogshit really.
I seized said oppertuntiy at the price it came for, but I'm not going to act like its reasonable or there aren't inexcusable faults in the system, nor am I going to make excuses for a multi billion dollar corporation thats been investing less and less into this game since endwalker dropped.

Said server is now out of Larges and has a handful of mediums left, in a month we'll be right back to the 0% vs 0.00000000025% metric of the old system vs the new one save for smalls. I just wish they'd focus on solutions instead of bandaids.
I guess I expect more from a Buy 2 Play Subscription based game held by a corporation as large as Square Enix.

Jojoya has never claimed that the housing system was great. She has repeated called out faults in the system and has offered ideas on how to solve them. I'm going to assume that your statement about her was made in the heat of the moment and does not reflect a proper thoughtful response. Still, I think you owe Jojoya an apology for having made such a statement.

[Jojoya]

You're leaving out the part where I had to leave a server and a free company to go to a new server that is so cripplingly dead that you have to DC travel to do the MSQ.

I got the house, but I'm not going to sit on a high horse like you and pretend the system is great. Its dogshit really.
I seized said oppertuntiy at the price it came for, but I'm not going to act like its reasonable or there aren't inexcusable faults in the system, nor am I going to make excuses for a multi billion dollar corporation thats been investing less and less into this game since endwalker dropped.

Said server is now out of Larges and has a handful of mediums left, in a month we'll be right back to the 0% vs 0.00000000025% metric of the old system vs the new one save for smalls. I just wish they'd focus on solutions instead of bandaids.
I guess I expect more from a Buy 2 Play Subscription based game held by a corporation as large as Square Enix.

Sounds like you're not even trying.

I've taken my transferred character back to my old home world several times to meet up with friends and FC. It's usually 60 seconds there and 30 seconds back when I'm done. Think the longest wait I've had for data center travel was 2 minutes 10 seconds so far.

I've had no problems with roulettes. They're a bit slow off peak but that's okay, I can do other things like FATEs and leves for Challenge log or hunt bills and tribal quests while I wait.

No where am I pretending or implying the system is great. That's your bitter nature twisting my words in your head.

What I've said is that regardless of what we want the system to be, we need to deal with what it is and take what advantage of what is available until SE chooses to change things. The opportunities are out there for those who want a house bad enough. If they aren't going to seize those opportunities to get their house and sit in the forums complaining instead, then we know all they really want is reasons to complain.

Thousands of small and dozens of mediums still left on the Dynamis data center for NA players who claim they need a house, and that's not including what is in the wards reserved for FC that can't start entering until next week.

1800 more plots coming in patch 6.3 for every world.

If someone currently playing the game hasn't managed to get a house by the time 6.35 is released, they only have themselves to blame.

$2 extra in sub fees

The extra $2 in sub fees is to have 40 characters. The entry sub allows for 8, and SE recently removed the one per world restriction so you can have all 8 on the same world now.

[WinglessSeraphim]

The extra $2 in sub fees is to have 40 characters. The entry sub allows for 8, and SE recently removed the one per world restriction so you can have all 8 on the same world now.

So nothing is stopping them!

[Jojoya]

So nothing is stopping them!

Those of us with more time available to play tend to severely overestimate how much time the average player is online. Someone with less time to play isn't going to want to waste it making an alt when there are still things to do on their main.

While I understand why many players have gone the solo FC route to get a house and don't blame them for doing so, players shouldn't feel forced into it for the sake of getting a house.

With the addition of the new NA data center, no one on NA should feel forced to make an alt right now. You can move your main to get a house and still play with your NA friends. Someone posted the current number of available plots on Dynamis in the Dynamis DC Discord the other day.

Seraph: 105 plots
Hali: 1225 plots
Mari: 1538 plots
Maduin: 1649 plots

Seraph will almost certainly be sold out by the end of current lottery. Only 3 of those plots don't have a bid yet but with one more day left to enter, someone is bound to place an entry on them. The sole medium has over 100 entries, and the smalls are averaging about 10 entries each. We don't know how many of those are entries to relocate but at a guess, there will probably be about 800 players who want but couldn't get a house. Guess that's what happens when you pick a world because you think it has the best name.

The other 3 worlds have less than 100 plots each with entries so far this round. A couple of larges are left but should sell. There are plenty of mediums with no bids, mostly in Goblet.

That means that when the next lottery period starts on the 1st (which will be the first lottery for FCs formed the week Dynamis opened), there will still be about 4000 houses available.

And yet people will sit here in the forums, continuing to complain. Little wonder that those serious about housing who want more houses end up making alts to buy more houses. Those without a house that claim they want a house aren't making an effort to get what's available so what's available is left for the taking by those willing to take advantage of the opportunity.