When do you think they'll add cross-region data center travel? OCE is screwed!

[VelKallor]

DC travel to/from Materia has the downside of huge latency jumps and I don't imagine people would want that. If they wanted NA latency, they would have played NA

Yet NA players are on JP servers with latency as well as EU servers........odd, innit?

They would never inconvenience the JP community by moving a JP server to the Aussie datacenter.

No one ever suggested it, asked for it, nor was it ever considered, so this is and was a non issue.

DC travel to/from Materia has the downside of huge latency jumps and I don't imagine people would want that.

This thread is about helping the OCE datacentre so OCE players have better latency...we deserve the best quality gameplay as much as you do, wouldnt you say?

If a way was found to combine the SEA and OCE populations on one DC it might well be viable.

An additional server in SEA would solve that Myrany, so yes, agreed.

[CallistemonYamadori]

The thing that confuses me, is why SE is "protecting" their JP community from players from Materia visiting Elemental, when more than half of us came from that DC in the first place. Most OCE players prefer JP strats, and a lot of us have friends from SEA that we'd love to party up with again sometime.

If the JP players are so scared of having "Gaikokkujin" players in their parties, just implement an option in the duty menu to exclude players from other DCs. I guarantee the snooty players who don't like playing with non-Japanese, will figure out how to turn it on pretty quickly.

Alternatively, giving a carrot rather than a stick, how about we incentivise travelling players by offering bonus exp/gil/poetics/seals to players who DC visit low-pop servers to queue for roulettes? Data centre travel outbound from Materia won't help new players, but having players from other DC's visiting Materia to queue for roulettes, absolutely will.


Please, sqeenix, help us, the queues for everything outside of 6pm-7pm, are absolutely woeful (as in, one hour alliance raid queue as a tank or healer under "adventurer in need"). Nobody is queing for roulettes more than once a day anymore, and it's easier to get 50 players to rock up to a spawned S rank hunt boss fight, than it is to find another player in Eureka outside of premade fate-spawning groups from discord, or get ANY PvP going outside of peak hour.

[Imora]

Vel, I'm pretty sure I explained myself just fine.

You wanted better latency. You got it. Adding datacenter travel will not fix it, because people will not go there that play in other regions.... Because of latency.

Latency to OCE from my country is easily 300ms on a good day. Ain't no way in Hate I would ever go from Light to Materia to solve your queue times.

The only thing that DC transfer will help in terms of queues, is get people off Materia to queue in a different datacenter.

People traveling to Materia, even if they're in OCE, still have to connect to their home datacenter first and then the data is forwarded. This is how it works in every game with cross region travel or instancing(see: wow Aussie in group with NA group leader... You're in an instance but still paying NA latency tax). It's not going to magically get an Aussie on a JP server better latency.

Some of you have absolutely no idea how this kind of thing works.

On top of it, the datacenter travel works in EU and NA because all servers are in the same farm. You would have to rewrite the code to send the traffic to a completely different server location first, and it's probably not set up for that.

Plus, they don't want the JP servers tarnished. They already don't seem to like OCE on their servers.

Your solution isn't DC travel, because no one will use it to go TO Materia. Only leave it.

[Myrany]

Vel, I'm pretty sure I explained myself just fine.

You wanted better latency. You got it. Adding datacenter travel will not fix it, because people will not go there that play in other regions.... Because of latency.

Latency to OCE from my country is easily 300ms on a good day. Ain't no way in Hate I would ever go from Light to Materia to solve your queue times.

The only thing that DC transfer will help in terms of queues, is get people off Materia to queue in a different datacenter.

People traveling to Materia, even if they're in OCE, still have to connect to their home datacenter first and then the data is forwarded. This is how it works in every game with cross region travel or instancing(see: wow Aussie in group with NA group leader... You're in an instance but still paying NA latency tax). It's not going to magically get an Aussie on a JP server better latency.

Some of you have absolutely no idea how this kind of thing works.

On top of it, the datacenter travel works in EU and NA because all servers are in the same farm. You would have to rewrite the code to send the traffic to a completely different server location first, and it's probably not set up for that.

Plus, they don't want the JP servers tarnished. They already don't seem to like OCE on their servers.

Your solution isn't DC travel, because no one will use it to go TO Materia. Only leave it.

Here is the thing if OCE people use DC travel to actually get things done on another DC at least they can get things done. That would at least stop the bleed of them moving back to other DCs and allow the servers the time they need to slowly build up to a self sufficient population.

I agree it is unlikely anyone would DC travel to Materia to get things done although big enough incentives to do so might help. I myself as a NA player moved my 2 characters to the new NA servers as I just couldn't cope the with over 400 ping I had to Materia. I tried to stay but I couldn't do it. There are people who are better at coping with it and for a decent incentive might be willing to do it.

[Jojoya]

Then they might ask for it to be added if they came up with the idea themselves. Or they might not have, in which case we wouldn't be having this conversation.
What sort of argument is this even supposed to be?

Think about how you would realistically answer my question and you would understand how it applies.

Assume SE had told us that cross region travel is not possible before the Materia data center was opened.

Would you still have created or transferred a character there? Seeing what things are like 8-10 months later, how would you be feeling about being on the data center or would you be transferring off?

If they make regional travel exclusive to Materia oh yes there will be a flood of players coming to the DC.

The DC is bleeding players some action is required. More will leave when they can't get basic stuff done so things will only get worse not better. It's going to either be DC travel or merging with another DC at some point. I have little expectation at the moment that we'll see a flood of players and the xpac is a long way off probably not until 2024.

Every OTHER REGION has DC travel BUT MATERIA and we have 5 underpopulated servers to draw from where the others have soon to be 32 in NA, already 32 in Japan and soon to be 24 in the EU. It's not getting better it's getting worse. It's not unreasonable to have DC travel just like everyone else. This regional excuse needs to go.

Why would there be a flood of players going to Materia if cross region travel was exclusive to Materia?

What would be their reasons for going when there is no bonus given to the travelling player for going there over playing on their home world or within their home region?

Im curious...why are you as an NA player opposed to this? For that matter why was NA opposed to OCE servers in the first place?

Why are you arguing against something that can HELP OCE server traffic? Why are you arguing against an option that will boost server traffic in both directions?.

Seems to me you'd want the OCE cluster to succeed..wouldnt you?

Where have I said I'm opposed to it? I haven't.

The point I'm trying to make is that it will not be the solution to the Materia problems that you think it will be. For the problems on Materia to be solved, there needs to be a reason for players to want to travel to Materia to do content on Materia.

So what reasons would players not on a Materia world have to go to Materia?

[VelKallor]

Where have I said I'm opposed to it? I haven't.

Yet here you are arguing against an option to allow cross dc travel, if you dont like it dont use it.

The point I'm trying to make is that it will not be the solution to the Materia problems that you think it will be.

Oh but I beg to differ, I think it will, to a very great degree.

For the problems on Materia to be solved, there needs to be a reason for players to want to travel to Materia to do content on Materia.

There are NA, JP, EU players who didnt want to leave their communities and houses and friends, so allowing them to travel to Materia and back is a win for them, as they can play alongside other OCE players and not have to permanently move servers.

Theres your reason. Seems sound to me.

Again, Ill ask what it is you object to? Why are you so against this? If you dont like it dont use it, so why are you objecting to others using it? The reason cross DC was suspended was congestion, we know it works..or is this a case of "OCE failed, so take it off them, close it and give NA those servers?"

Isnt that what NA players said in the beginning? Yes, yes they did.

So what reasons would players not on a Materia world have to go to Materia?

See above.

[kaynide]

The only thing I’m getting out of this is that 1) people wanted a server for better latency, then 2) people complain that they got what they wanted, but it came with a price.

Of course there will be less players for a solid chunk of time. If people keep jumping ship, why would the situation ever improve?

I wouldn’t expect it to reach normal server levels until 7.0, at best.

All you are doing is telling SE that it was a waste of their time/money to invest in a data center in OCE.

If I were SE, I only see this as a “well, guess we aren’t going to do any further data centers in South America, etc.”

While this could be fixed by allowing cross DC travel, I’d rather not mix the roulette/random queuing system. I live in JP and was in a US server for a while and the lag was real. I do not want that in my day to day play. By choice/preformed, go for it! Visiting, markets, etc…don’t care.

Being landslided because I couldn’t see it coming, sucks.

[VelKallor]

The only thing I’m getting out of this is that 1) people wanted a server for better latency, then 2) people complain that they got what they wanted, but it came with a price.

NO.

The OCE datacentres were established with DC travel as part of the package..then SE suspended DC travel and left OCE in the lurch. THAT is the sequence of events.

Of course there will be less players for a solid chunk of time. If people keep jumping ship, why would the situation ever improve?

Then maybe SE needs to address this matter and connect us with established servers the same way EVERYONE ELSE IS.

[kaynide]

NO.

The OCE datacentres were established with DC travel as part of the package..then SE suspended DC travel and left OCE in the lurch. THAT is the sequence of events.



Then maybe SE needs to address this matter and connect us with established servers the same way EVERYONE ELSE IS.

I don’t really recall what was promised, but I always thought data center travel was between data centers of the same region (eg, JP DC to JP DC, and not international)

As OCE is all alone, obviously it’d never have other DCs to go to.

Was that not the case? Was a JP player ever able to go to NA for example?

[Iscah]

I don't think it was ever meant to be free DC travel from region to region.

As I recall it, they introduced the region-specific DC transfers and immediately had to temporarily suspend those to resolve some kind of issue, but then resumed that same level of service which is the only type of DC travel we've ever had available to us.

I think anyone saying "they opened it up 100% and then immediately changed it to the more restricted model we have today" is either misremembering the initial events or getting it confused with what they expected DC travel to entail but it never did.

It's possible that they announced DC travel and the OCE servers together and either didn't clarify the restrictions or only decided on the restrictions somewhere between announcement and implementation, but I'm almost certain that we knew before implementation that it would be limited by region.