Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[Deveryn]

The last 3 times I've done alliance roulette (within the last week), I got one Lab and two WoD. The first two, I saw a 67 in my party, so it was already slim pickings. In the most recent, it was someone's first time.

Folks can talk about the cheese all they want, but we're so far into this discussion on two threads and there's still no real solution that doesn't have the potential to really change things for the better for all. If cheese was the one and only factor in roulette selection, this would be a different conversation and we'd actually be in agreement on a change being necessary.

[Midareyukki]

Duty Roulette pulls you in to duties that people are queued for
People getting naked to force themselves into LotA are not forcing you into LotA with you
Duty Roulette does not conjure up an instance for the first 24 people to queue together, it compares your gear to what duties are currently being run and puts you in to the Highest Level Duty that has been waiting the longest that you are eligible for

And just like that you shot down any chance you had at being reasonable.
- If the system compares your gear as to what is being currently run, it will not force your low ilv to a high-end duty like NieR. You said so yourself.
- Not everyone here is on the Crystal Datacenter, nor on NA. I'm on Zodiark: EU Datacenter.
- "I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works." Great that that's been your experience, but I queued for it last week and I happened to have a female character totally naked there, so... Your point? "Because it does not happen to me, it cannot happen to you"?
- I'm running content during the day until midnight on my end. Queues for any sort of content stagnate at around midnight (PvP becomes absolutely dead by then). So no. I play in the afternoon and past noon.
- "The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them." The roulette pairs anyone up with anything. They're forcing everyone, themselves included. Hence why even if no one was doing the naked thing, you can still have people who aren't new to the instance. In case you didn't know, there is such a message when someone hasn't cleared it. Meaning that you can all land into low level stuff because of the item level comparison.

In a roulette, this is normal, because even if you all have a high item level, you can still land on CT. But if someone's item level is lower than, say, Rabanastre, you cannot get Rabanastre and duties beyond it. This goes for everything, including Levelling Roulette. Why do you think so many people find it odd that they're in their high 80's and can end up getting Sastasha as a duty in Level Roulette?

The last 3 times I've done alliance roulette (within the last week), I got one Lab and two WoD. The first two, I saw a 67 in my party, so it was already slim pickings. In the most recent, it was someone's first time.

Folks can talk about the cheese all they want, but we're so far into this discussion on two threads and there's still no real solution that doesn't have the potential to really change things for the better for all. If cheese was the one and only factor in roulette selection, this would be a different conversation and we'd actually be in agreement on a change being necessary.

So because we can't seem to find one as players who don't know what's behind the code to the extent the devs do, there's no point in changing?

Firm believer that is what happens. You can be sure when they get the duty that they are in one with level 50 players. I always check my party and 9/10 there is a 50 and that is only one alliance.

Meaning the other two alliances could have landed literally anywhere else?

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

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"Instead of being antisocial"? :| Uhh... explain that to me, please? Where are you getting this from? Because I can't make the community bend to my will? xD

Also... "nothing"? Sweetie... where's the Zodiark Datacenter located? Where is Balmung located?

Riiiight. So. Troll? Troll.

[BelegErkhten]

Firm believer that is what happens. You can be sure when they get the duty that they are in one with level 50 players. I always check my party and 9/10 there is a 50 and that is only one alliance.

Yes, this exactly what happens. When you queue for Duty Roulette you are doing that thing in Shadowbringers where he goes "Warriors from beyond the rift heed my call" and you are heeding said call. XIV has a really REALLY cool way of integrating its mechanics with its own lore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2hZRFRHPw
^Spoiler in question^

[BelegErkhten]

And just like that you shot down any chance you had at being reasonable.
- If the system compares your gear as to what is being currently run, it will not force your low ilv to a high-end duty like NieR. You said so yourself.
- Not everyone here is on the Crystal Datacenter, nor on NA. I'm on Zodiark: EU Datacenter.
- "I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works." Great that that's been your experience, but I queued for it last week and I happened to have a female character totally naked there, so... Your point? "Because it does not happen to me, it cannot happen to you"?
- I'm running content during the day until midnight on my end. Queues for any sort of content stagnate at around midnight (PvP becomes absolutely dead by then). So no. I play in the afternoon and past noon.
- "The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them." The roulette pairs anyone up with anything. They're forcing everyone, themselves included. Hence why even if no one was doing the naked thing, you can still have people who aren't new to the instance. In case you didn't know, there is such a message when someone hasn't cleared it. Meaning that you can all land into low level stuff because of the item level comparison.

In a roulette, this is normal, because even if you all have a high item level, you can still land on CT. But if someone's item level is lower than, say, Rabanastre, you cannot get Rabanastre and duties beyond it. This goes for everything, including Levelling Roulette. Why do you think so many people find it odd that they're in their high 80's and can end up getting Sastasha as a duty in Level Roulette?

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

[BelegErkhten]

where's the Zodiark Datacenter located? Where is Balmung located?

What part of that is relevant? It doesn't matter where you are the system functions the exact same way. The mechanics of how Duty Finder matches people does not change when you move between Data Centers. Forgive me for not being intimately (pun not intended) familiar with what world the EU coomers hang out on.


I should also add that non-level 50 people will also queue for LotA via quests like Gifts of the Archmagus
You are fabricating a boogieman in your head and pinning everything wrong on said non-existent boogieman.

[Saraide]

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One person doing ilvl cheese is not necessarily creating a CT run that wouldnt have happened otherwise. You can have two people forcing CT, one by queueing for it directly and one by doing ilvl cheese but that doesnt mean you will have two CT runs. You can just aswell have just one CT run with both of those people in it.

Meaning the other two alliances could have landed literally anywhere else?

What are you trying to say? The other two alliances need to be filled aswell, it's an alliance raid.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

Fyi Limited roulette only works for Duty Roulette: Leveling Dungeon. There’s a possibility they might extend this to other roulette but personally I highly doubt that.

[Deveryn]

So because we can't seem to find one as players who don't know what's behind the code to the extent the devs do, there's no point in changing?

Correct!

And if you want them to work on fresh content so you're less bored, please look forward to tomorrow's Live Letter where they'll announce such a thing.

[PyurBlue]

Hey, Im not trying to advocate this behavior. I for one think its pretty scummy if you make the decision to run an rng roulette but get a hissy fit that its boring old CT again and then leave. But the option is there for people, just expect those consequences if you reeeeally hate CT that much to risk waisting even more of your time for the penalty.

That makes it clear. I'd much rather take the penalty than run CT if I'm honest, but I wouldn't because I agree it's not really considerate of the other players.

If you want CT to have it's own separate roulette then just say so. That's what most people here want. Most people think that CT either needs its own roulette or it needs to be merged with MSQ roulette.

That's not the same as you suggesting that people pick and choose what they want in the roulette though.

If "choice" was giving the wrong impression, then maybe "more granular roulettes" would be a better phrase. Anyway, yeah separating CT from the other raids was my primary idea behind more choice. Alliance seems like the perfect candidate for this since CT will never be at risk of low participation and it's very clear that a significant amount of players want to be able to queue for anything but CT. Divide the roulette and everyone wins, so there's really no reason not to do it, at least from a player standpoint.

That could work too tbh. Just redo CT, keep it simple but don't make it a snoozefest. And reassess a way to prevent people from stipping naked and cheese it, since then chances are there isn't much you can cheese through.

Costly? Maybe.
But that's what SE's been doing the past months, so who knows.

Replacing CT completely is another idea, and the duty is so problematic that I don't think the fact that it would cost SE something to fix it should be considered a problem, unless that cost is enormous. However, like I said in another post, level 50 is still really simple and that will impact the overall experience. So many jobs are just a combo or the same button over and over at that point that even with mechanics, I feel like the content would be kind of meh. It could still be better than what we have now though.

I feel like I'm weird when it comes to this. I'm excited when I get Ivalice/Nier/Agalia (spelled wrong?).
Unlike others I don't need higher rewards to want to do those. They're fun and that's the most important part for me. Especially consodering...this IS a game.

I feel the same way. I can't understand the mindset of running through content for rewards ASAP. The reward in a game should be a feeling of enjoyment. That's a much stronger incentive than XP every time in my opinion.

Maybe not. And that's true, for example, I'm super tired of Azdaal's Legacy, as well as Sil'dih Subterrane. Because they get repetitive and predictable easily. But I find that fair and an obvious outcome of videogames in general. I know what I'm getting into. If you give me my favourite dish for breakfast, lunch and dinner, obviously at some point it stops feeling special. Same with any content. But at least here I know that that's what I'm signing up for.

But I already said as much.

Expert roulette suffers from neglect. We used to have more dungeons per patch, and you could absolutely tell. I think it was a mistake to cut down on dungeon content. Of course SE had reasons for this, but I don't think they made the right choice in the end.

Of course, that's just me. My real gripe is just people doing what's such an obvious exploit to force the system. I approached it as "if it's so easy to the point where you AFK, and it takes less time to complete than other instances, then naturally people will prefer it". Past that, if people want to complain that a low-level instance is boring, repetitive and obvious, then that's up to them.

I speak for myself: There is a problem, and much like problems of the same kind, it should be looked into. I think the issue stems from one characteristic of the content itself. Others are free to disagee. Anything beyond that is preference.

While the exploiting is a problem, I don't think sticking to the system despite all of its flaws is the best way to fix it. You did say that you are speaking for yourself, so I won't make a text wall on this topic, but I take the mass exploiting as a sign that the system isn't designed well. There isn't anything wrong with changing things to better please the playerbase.