Savage Raid mounts

[Deveryn]

So, after years of Savage mount drops being as they are, we now need a new method to pick them up because....

[Zomkei]

So, after years of Savage mount drops being as they are, we now need a new method to pick them up because....

ignoring the fact that people have been requesting this almost every tier... you're suggesting that just because its been this way for years that it doesn't need change? really?

before they added totems for extreme fights, there wasn't any for years. before they added, fixed, and moved data centers, we just dealt with the bad latency for years. before they added normal / story mode, people just had to not see the raid story or be forced into content they didn't like to see the story for years. there was a time we didn't have glamour or dye options, there was a time atma and other relic related drops were less than a 1 percent drop per fate / dungeon etc, we had to deal with that for years... hopefully you get the point.

just because something has been the same for years doesn't mean it cant be changed / fixed / made better. if anything, since it seems people are being offended by this suggestion, make it so that you can buy the mount with books halfway through the tier, that way at least people have some sort of hope instead of fighting RNG in PF.

[Midareyukki]

So, after years of Savage mount drops being as they are, we now need a new method to pick them up because....

So after years of using quill and ink, society would need to constantly keep them instead of pens and pencils, becauuuuseee?

Like, Deveryn, I won't deny that maybe people are approaching this as too simplistic given the sort of rewards they are... But wording it like this? Holding onto the past and saying it's a good design just because "it works"? I mean sure, life's good, but if it can be better, why not?

[Deveryn]

Like, Deveryn, I won't deny that maybe people are approaching this as too simplistic given the sort of rewards they are... But wording it like this? Holding onto the past and saying it's a good design just because "it works"? I mean sure, life's good, but if it can be better, why not?

Deleting that first line and you should do the same.

I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just wondering how you really sell this idea to them.

[Saraide]

Deleting that first line and you should do the same.

Why should they? It's the same logic you used.

[Deveryn]

Why should they? It's the same logic you used.

So we're gonna sit here and compare the plight of the savage raider to minorities who have actually suffered and died at the hands of legit assholes. Sure, let's unpack this some more. Nothing says "I don't care about this topic either" like bringing up some insane bullshit like that.

[Midareyukki]

So we're gonna sit here and compare the plight of the savage raider to minorities who have actually suffered and died at the hands of legit assholes. Sure, let's unpack this some more. Nothing says "I don't care about this topic either" like bringing up some insane bullshit like that.

No? At all. It's not about the content itself, but rather the argument you used. "Just because we're functioning as it is, why should we change it?"
When clearly, if people want to see it changed and find the system no longer applies, then why not suggest it?

If you have anything to say about the analogy itself, sure, probably not the best. BUT I couldn't come up with a better one. Maybe you can :P Like, I won't say that it wasn't an extreme thing to say; it was. But I wasn't seeking to compare the two situations, simply illustrating the point of what I was going to say after. Nor was I trying to offend anyone by it.

But the argument still stands. Just because it worked in the past doesn't mean we haven't moved on and could probably do with better.

Comparison is extreme yes, but the core logic really weak in both cases. You're basically saying that status quo should never change because... it would upset the status quo. Why yes, that's the point of change.

You should have at least tried to argue that people were happy with the current system, as it stands your whole point feels lazy.

And yeah, I'm aware people are happy. I'm also aware people are unhappy. I'm not really taking much of a side other than "okay, the solution people provided seems a little too simple for what it is". But only because I feel like mounts and such aren't the same as gearsets. They're novelty items, and while I don't think they should cost 99 off the bat (that's also pretty stupid, like wtf. I KNOW people who ran savage 99x for a mount), I also don't think 8 is a decent number for it. Maybe bump it up a bit, but not to the 90's.

Edit: Dev, I thought of a better line. Gonna go edit it!

[Zebraoracle]

And yeah, I'm aware people are happy. I'm also aware people are unhappy. I'm not really taking much of a side other than "okay, the solution people provided seems a little too simple for what it is". But only because I feel like mounts and such aren't the same as gearsets. They're novelty items, and while I don't think they should cost 99 off the bat (that's also pretty stupid, like wtf. I KNOW people who ran savage 99x for a mount), I also don't think 8 is a decent number for it. Maybe bump it up a bit, but not to the 90's.

I'm gonna say something that might be controversial:

Savage gear is a novelty in and of itself, just like the mounts.

[Bukachu]

So, after years of Savage mount drops being as they are, we now need a new method to pick them up because....

Because it was explained 89 times, go back and read up on it, seems like the extra chromosome must be making it hard to understand why if you still havent figured it out

[Deveryn]

Because it was explained 89 times, go back and read up on it, seems like the extra chromosome must be making it hard to understand why if you still havent figured it out

Yeah, I skipped most of this after my initial comment and waited to see if anyone came up with anything good. Point me to it. I don't care enough to read through this.