S-Rank mobs needs a invulnerability buff on S-RANKs

[wereotter]

What time of day/night are you generally playing? For Crystal, we've generally had trains scattered across the entire day including some in the wee morning hours.

We've asked the Centurio Hunt Discord if it would be possible to create a new role that would allow notifications of all NA data center trains, especially during off peak hours when it can be hard for players online to find a train. They're trying to figure out if they could come up with something that would reasonably well without requiring players to have to choose every NA data center role. If they can do it, it should help players like you find trains more easily. Data center travel in off peak hours is generally very quick (under 60 seconds total) so going cross data center for trains is viable. I wouldn't suggest doing it for S ranks.

Remember that no other players can dictate to you when you can hunt no matter how much they think they can. It's okay for them to ask politely but they don't have the right to tell you that you must stop. If they go overboard, please report it to the GMs.

Usually around 6/7 PM Pacific is when I get on. One of my FC mates is an avid hunter, and she tried her best to tell me when the hunts happen so I can participate, but the ones she told me about were at 7am my time or 3pm (or maybe it was 4pm) and another I think around 2am. All times that weren't really viable for those of us on the West Coast. I've done a couple A-ranks when I see them with friends, but more the problem is the unwillingness of others to do the hunts outside of those times because they keep saying "leave them for the train"

[Jojoya]

Usually around 6/7 PM Pacific is when I get on. One of my FC mates is an avid hunter, and she tried her best to tell me when the hunts happen so I can participate, but the ones she told me about were at 7am my time or 3pm (or maybe it was 4pm) and another I think around 2am. All times that weren't really viable for those of us on the West Coast. I've done a couple A-ranks when I see them with friends, but more the problem is the unwillingness of others to do the hunts outside of those times because they keep saying "leave them for the train"

There's always the option of scouting and conducting a train yourself if there's no one else doing it on your world. It would just depend on when the last train had been run. If you're finding Rank As up in the Endwalker and Shadowbringers zones, chances are good they're up or close to spawning in the other zones as well.

[Xaphire]

The only reason it dies in 10 seconds is because a large part of the data center was able to show up.

Try doing it off peak when you're lucky to have 40 show up and a recent expansion S rank will take much longer.

Where should the middle ground be? You'll get a lot of different opinions depending on who you talk to.

Maybe what needs to happen is for the game to stop letting more people teleport into the zone if a S rank is present and zone population has reach as certain number (100? 150?). That way it's out of player hands and in SE's control. It would also send the message that not everyone is intended to participate. Once the zone is full, no reason to hold off any longer and the zone can be cleared for players trying to do other things.

I don't want them to be zergable. Ever. I want A ranks to be 8 player party content at max and S ranks to be 24 player content at max. First to pull gets the mob, the end. If they wipe, another group can get claim. Give them more mechanics and an enrage timer. Clear before x minutes or wipe and its the next groups attempt. That prevented people from claiming with a tank and healers while waiting for the rest of their alliance to show up in XI.

[KageTokage]

I would be totally okay with them just axing cross-world hunting entirely as it's the single biggest source of stress for me as someone who routinely tries to spawn hunts.

If there a bot in the zone when a S rank spawns, I've seen people arrive from crossworld in less then 30 seconds, and if one of those people decide to pull the hunt immediately, it can be dead in around a mere minute after spawning if everyone panics and starts attacking as they arrive.

It is a problem when people who shouldn't even know the hunt exists yet are endangering the efforts of those putting in all the work to spawn them.

[Deveryn]

I would be totally okay with them just axing cross-world hunting entirely as it's the single biggest source of stress for me as someone who routinely tries to spawn hunts.

If there a bot in the zone when a S rank spawns, I've seen people arrive from crossworld in less then 30 seconds, and if one of those people decide to pull the hunt immediately, it can be dead in around a mere minute after spawning if everyone panics and starts attacking as they arrive.

It is a problem when people who shouldn't even know the hunt exists yet are endangering the efforts of those putting in all the work to spawn them.

You don't need a bot to prompt people that an S rank is up. This is why I say that it's a community issue. People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things, much like they do with allowing A ranks to hang around until a train rolls through.

The one thing that amazes me about what I see with a lot of suggestions that come through here is the fact that the problem would be solved if the community or the individual took the slightest bit of initiative. Come together on centurio or wherever and agree on how to approach these things. On an individual basis, find a center that works best for you and move now. If JP can come together on one thing or another, so can other regions. Stop making excuses and leaning on SE. Get the problem solved now.

[KageTokage]

A part of hunt-spawning community was actually rallying against the use of a certain popular hunt detecting program/plug-in because it was making things stressful by essentially allowing you to tap directly into the same relay network the users of the various botting programs have access to.

The maker temporarily disabled it, but the outcry from the lazy "hunters" who just AFK by the aetherytes was big enough to pressure them into revoking that decision.

So yeah, people tried, but it didn't work. There is a general trend towards waiting at least a few minutes before killing S ranks on Aether but it takes only one impatient app user to throw a wrench in that.

[Conadrium]

The one thing that amazes me about what I see with a lot of suggestions that come through here is the fact that the problem would be solved if the community or the individual took the slightest bit of initiative. Come together on centurio or wherever and agree on how to approach these things. On an individual basis, find a center that works best for you and move now. If JP can come together on one thing or another, so can other regions. Stop making excuses and leaning on SE. Get the problem solved now.

You DO realize that a goodly portion of the comments in this thread have been basically “ban Centurio!!! No one tells me what to do!” Expecting the player base to police ourselves when we have no tools or ability to do so is asinine.

[Midareyukki]

You DO realize that a goodly portion of the comments in this thread have been basically “ban Centurio!!! No one tells me what to do!” Expecting the player base to police ourselves when we have no tools or ability to do so is asinine.

Not to mention appealing to the better nature of players.

Like, I'm sorry but do people honestly think people will play nicely after what happened to Ishgard Restoration? A FATE would start in one world, that world would get congested and the people from that world wouldn't be able to participate.

Hunts have always been at a risk of having one dude be too antsy and pull. But at least before World Visit, there could be some modicum of organization, and people would definitely blacklist you from parties if you did that. With World Visit, there's almost no way to reliably do that. And even when some order did exist, it still would not matter.

[Jojoya]

You don't need a bot to prompt people that an S rank is up. This is why I say that it's a community issue. People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things, much like they do with allowing A ranks to hang around until a train rolls through.

The one thing that amazes me about what I see with a lot of suggestions that come through here is the fact that the problem would be solved if the community or the individual took the slightest bit of initiative. Come together on centurio or wherever and agree on how to approach these things. On an individual basis, find a center that works best for you and move now. If JP can come together on one thing or another, so can other regions. Stop making excuses and leaning on SE. Get the problem solved now.

You're never going to get an entire community to agree on anything, and SE doesn't recognize "majority rules" under the ToS. If one individual within the community feels differently, the community cannot force that individual to conform to the community standard.

When it comes to early pulls, the community has a tool at its disposal that it doesn't consistently utilize: Self-restraint. It can stop cooperating with and assisting the early puller by getting one hit in for credit then backing away just out of range (but not so far that it has a chance to reset the mark). An early puller isn't going to kill an S rank instantly by themselves.
It's going to take a couple of minutes even for ARR.

By continuing to attack, the community is basically agreeing with the early puller - wait times at the mark aren't what the community actually wants. They want to kill and be gone as fast as possible. In which case, why make a fuss?

As for JP coming together on something, that's a different culture from NA and EU. It's naïve to think that every community is going to adopt the same set of rules.

You DO realize that a goodly portion of the comments in this thread have been basically “ban Centurio!!! No one tells me what to do!” Expecting the player base to police ourselves when we have no tools or ability to do so is asinine.

Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".

Or the community can learn to work together. That's what we're trying to do on Dynamis. We're trying to make sure all the community is in the loop whether they use Centurio or Faloop or neither for that matter. But it's still not going to be possible to make certain that everyone who wants to attend a S rank is going to make it. Players need to learn that sometimes they're just going to miss out and that's part of the game.

Not to mention appealing to the better nature of players.

Like, I'm sorry but do people honestly think people will play nicely after what happened to Ishgard Restoration? A FATE would start in one world, that world would get congested and the people from that world wouldn't be able to participate.

Hunts have always been at a risk of having one dude be too antsy and pull. But at least before World Visit, there could be some modicum of organization, and people would definitely blacklist you from parties if you did that. With World Visit, there's almost no way to reliably do that. And even when some order did exist, it still would not matter.

Being blacklisted doesn't stop anyone from participating or early pulling or getting credit. All the blacklist does is ensure that player will never change their mind and come around to seeing things from the community point of view.

People forget that we had the same problems even before world visit. Because we were limited to only what would spawn on our own worlds, more players would show up to make certain they didn't miss out on their only chance to kill the mark for the next 6 hours or next 4 days.

They also forget that world populations were only about half of what they are now. NA worlds are massively overcrowded compared to what we had back in Stormblood.

[Deveryn]

You DO realize that a goodly portion of the comments in this thread have been basically “ban Centurio!!! No one tells me what to do!” Expecting the player base to police ourselves when we have no tools or ability to do so is asinine.

I have zero expectations from the players and SE on this matter.

I still think it's worth mentioning that something can be done by the community. Whatever SE might be able to do might not happen for a while and who's to say you'll even like it. What do you do in the meantime? We just had this whole situation in frontline with paladin cheese. You had people that would cry about it and matches and do nothing and lose. Then you had people that would come together as a team and go hard on anyone that dared get a paladin close to an ovoo. We got some wins that way.