S-Rank mobs needs a invulnerability buff on S-RANKs

[KageTokage]

I would be totally okay with them just axing cross-world hunting entirely as it's the single biggest source of stress for me as someone who routinely tries to spawn hunts.

If there a bot in the zone when a S rank spawns, I've seen people arrive from crossworld in less then 30 seconds, and if one of those people decide to pull the hunt immediately, it can be dead in around a mere minute after spawning if everyone panics and starts attacking as they arrive.

It is a problem when people who shouldn't even know the hunt exists yet are endangering the efforts of those putting in all the work to spawn them.

[Deveryn]

I would be totally okay with them just axing cross-world hunting entirely as it's the single biggest source of stress for me as someone who routinely tries to spawn hunts.

If there a bot in the zone when a S rank spawns, I've seen people arrive from crossworld in less then 30 seconds, and if one of those people decide to pull the hunt immediately, it can be dead in around a mere minute after spawning if everyone panics and starts attacking as they arrive.

It is a problem when people who shouldn't even know the hunt exists yet are endangering the efforts of those putting in all the work to spawn them.

You don't need a bot to prompt people that an S rank is up. This is why I say that it's a community issue. People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things, much like they do with allowing A ranks to hang around until a train rolls through.

The one thing that amazes me about what I see with a lot of suggestions that come through here is the fact that the problem would be solved if the community or the individual took the slightest bit of initiative. Come together on centurio or wherever and agree on how to approach these things. On an individual basis, find a center that works best for you and move now. If JP can come together on one thing or another, so can other regions. Stop making excuses and leaning on SE. Get the problem solved now.

[Jojoya]

You don't need a bot to prompt people that an S rank is up. This is why I say that it's a community issue. People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things, much like they do with allowing A ranks to hang around until a train rolls through.

The one thing that amazes me about what I see with a lot of suggestions that come through here is the fact that the problem would be solved if the community or the individual took the slightest bit of initiative. Come together on centurio or wherever and agree on how to approach these things. On an individual basis, find a center that works best for you and move now. If JP can come together on one thing or another, so can other regions. Stop making excuses and leaning on SE. Get the problem solved now.

You're never going to get an entire community to agree on anything, and SE doesn't recognize "majority rules" under the ToS. If one individual within the community feels differently, the community cannot force that individual to conform to the community standard.

When it comes to early pulls, the community has a tool at its disposal that it doesn't consistently utilize: Self-restraint. It can stop cooperating with and assisting the early puller by getting one hit in for credit then backing away just out of range (but not so far that it has a chance to reset the mark). An early puller isn't going to kill an S rank instantly by themselves.
It's going to take a couple of minutes even for ARR.

By continuing to attack, the community is basically agreeing with the early puller - wait times at the mark aren't what the community actually wants. They want to kill and be gone as fast as possible. In which case, why make a fuss?

As for JP coming together on something, that's a different culture from NA and EU. It's naïve to think that every community is going to adopt the same set of rules.

You DO realize that a goodly portion of the comments in this thread have been basically “ban Centurio!!! No one tells me what to do!” Expecting the player base to police ourselves when we have no tools or ability to do so is asinine.

Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".

Or the community can learn to work together. That's what we're trying to do on Dynamis. We're trying to make sure all the community is in the loop whether they use Centurio or Faloop or neither for that matter. But it's still not going to be possible to make certain that everyone who wants to attend a S rank is going to make it. Players need to learn that sometimes they're just going to miss out and that's part of the game.

Not to mention appealing to the better nature of players.

Like, I'm sorry but do people honestly think people will play nicely after what happened to Ishgard Restoration? A FATE would start in one world, that world would get congested and the people from that world wouldn't be able to participate.

Hunts have always been at a risk of having one dude be too antsy and pull. But at least before World Visit, there could be some modicum of organization, and people would definitely blacklist you from parties if you did that. With World Visit, there's almost no way to reliably do that. And even when some order did exist, it still would not matter.

Being blacklisted doesn't stop anyone from participating or early pulling or getting credit. All the blacklist does is ensure that player will never change their mind and come around to seeing things from the community point of view.

People forget that we had the same problems even before world visit. Because we were limited to only what would spawn on our own worlds, more players would show up to make certain they didn't miss out on their only chance to kill the mark for the next 6 hours or next 4 days.

They also forget that world populations were only about half of what they are now. NA worlds are massively overcrowded compared to what we had back in Stormblood.

[KageTokage]

Let's ban Faloop while we're at it with the "early release" that's only known to the privileged few to ensure they have time to arrive while the rest of the Faloop community has to take its chances once the "public release" is announced and the "early release" players start to relay. After all, that's yet another third party app.

The community can be absolutely idiotic at times with "it's okay to use the third party tool I'm using but not the one that others use".

Or the community can learn to work together. That's what we're trying to do on Dynamis. We're trying to make sure all the community is in the loop whether they use Centurio or Faloop or neither for that matter. But it's still not going to be possible to make certain that everyone who wants to attend a S rank is going to make it. Players need to learn that sometimes they're just going to miss out and that's part of the game.

The early release privileges on Faloop are given to the people who actually spawn S ranks which...doesn't feel terribly unreasonable to me.

I feel like there's a distinction to be made between an extremely comprehensive hunt tracker/relay vs. a proper third party add-on that is reading data from the game to immediately isolate a S rank's position and automatically relay it to every add-on/discord/whatever it's connected to.

[Jojoya]

The early release privileges on Faloop are given to the people who actually spawn S ranks which...doesn't feel terribly unreasonable to me.

I feel like there's a distinction to be made between an extremely comprehensive hunt tracker/relay vs. a proper third party add-on that is reading data from the game to immediately isolate a S rank's position and automatically relay it to every add-on/discord/whatever it's connected to.

There is a distinction. One is an effort by a self-selected few to control the community's participation in open world content for their own benefit at the expense of those others in the community. The other is an effort to keep the entire community informed as quickly as possible so they have a better chance to participate.

Spawners already know what's going on. They don't need an extra 1-2 minute headstart on everyone else.

It’s not about the raise it’s about the rewards. Even if you’re going hard on the hunt mark if you aren’t in a party you’ll get greatly reduced rewards because you aren’t contributing as much. This is ALSO why it’s nearly impossible to get people to stop once the boss is pulled. No one wants reduced rewards.

I won’t say it’s IMPOSSIBLE to max out rewards yourself because I don’t have the numbers but I’ve done pulls where I couldn’t get into a party finder in time and got like 1/3rd the max reward.

Except not everyone is after the same reward. A lot of players don't care about the tomestones/nuts/seals. They're swimming in them already. What they want is the kill credit toward their achievements and that doesn't require a party. It just requires a tap on the mark.

Getting full rewards solo on ARR/HW/SB shouldn't be a problem. As long as you're not late, you should be able to on ShB as well if you're using a max level 90 tank. It's only EW that really requires being in a party if there are a lot in attendance.

If you weren't able to find a group in PF or get others to join your listing, it sounds like you got a very delayed relay. I never have a problem as I list in PF as I'm on my way and it's usually filled with 10 seconds. On the rare occasions it's not, it's usually late night. If there are several others listed, I'll remove mine and join one of theirs.

[KageTokage]

There is a distinction. One is an effort by a self-selected few to control the community's participation in open world content for their own benefit at the expense of those others in the community. The other is an effort to keep the entire community informed as quickly as possible so they have a better chance to participate.

Spawners already know what's going on. They don't need an extra 1-2 minute headstart on everyone else.

I've legit missed out on ARR S ranks I spawned multiple times because the bot relays opened the flood gates while the hunt spawned on the opposite side of the map far away from any aetherytes then someone proceeded to pull the hunt the instant they got to it. It was especially bad back before ARR zones were flight enabled.

It basically forces everyone to have to use the bot relays and make a mad scramble for the S rank if they want a fair chance at getting to it regardless of whether or not they're the ones actively spawning the hunts or not, and the only reason it's somewhat sane for the time being is because the stat squish increased the amount of time it takes for the S ranks to die. Pre-squish the ARR S ranks were dying in around 20-30 seconds which gave you almost no time to actually get to them if you had someone impatient pulling them immediately.

[Heroman3003]

I've legit missed out on ARR S ranks I spawned multiple times because the bot relays opened the flood gates while the hunt spawned on the opposite side of the map far away from any aetherytes then someone proceeded to pull the hunt the instant they got to it. It was especially bad back before ARR zones were flight enabled.

It basically forces everyone to have to use the bot relays and make a mad scramble for the S rank if they want a fair chance at getting to it regardless of whether or not they're the ones actively spawning the hunts or not, and the only reason it's somewhat sane for the time being is because the stat squish increased the amount of time it takes for the S ranks to die. Pre-squish the ARR S ranks were dying in around 20-30 seconds which gave you almost no time to actually get to them if you had someone impatient pulling them immediately.

Faloop's bot relays rely on someone to actually report it first. It explicitly does not use any in-game bots or addons for its functionality, to my knowledge at least. So 'banning' it is as good as 'banning' any form of the out-of-game coordination for the hunts.

[ACE135]

The early release privileges on Faloop are given to the people who actually spawn S ranks which...doesn't feel terribly unreasonable to me.

I don't know how that works with Faloop but in the past the spawners were also just in their own link shell informing others in that link shell first before shouting to the "public" link shells. They waited 5, 10 and even more minutes to let their people finish whatever they were doing first sometimes and only then shouting in the other link shells.

[UkcsAlias]

People simply need to come to an agreement on certain things

That will never happen. You must enforce rules on players for that, or some will always say 'the game does allow it, so i will', even if everyone around it doesnt agree with him.

Forcing a 5min immunity after spawning could on that help as that is generaly enough to travel to its location from a diffirent server, as that way there is no quick pulling possible anymore. But sadly, it means that once the timer is up, it will always be pulled. Which means that if it was discovered late, that it will always be pulled too early. Yet 10mins can be excessive. The only middleground i can imagine here is that its always 5mins upon discovery (a player was within range where B ranks are normaly detected).

[Midareyukki]

That will never happen. You must enforce rules on players for that, or some will always say 'the game does allow it, so i will', even if everyone around it doesnt agree with him.

Forcing a 5min immunity after spawning could on that help as that is generaly enough to travel to its location from a diffirent server, as that way there is no quick pulling possible anymore. But sadly, it means that once the timer is up, it will always be pulled. Which means that if it was discovered late, that it will always be pulled too early. Yet 10mins can be excessive. The only middleground i can imagine here is that its always 5mins upon discovery (a player was within range where B ranks are normaly detected).

The issue isn't just discovery, but also relaying information. Often, what you see is that pulls are underway while people are still passing it around hunting linkshells. Either because people were slow to convey information or because people early pulled. Sometimes both.