Housing: Square Enix is failing to accomplish what Lord of The Rings Online did in 07

[PirateRyanG]

You're a troll, you deserve to have people be combative towards you. You are making a bad faith comparison, and I am calling you out on it

No, I am not.

The comparison was that "if an older game can accomplish this, why can't a newer game?".

Sure, the player counts are different, but server tech is much, much improved from when LOTRO was in its prime.

But, as always, you are being combative. People only need to look at your post history to see that you are a little putrid worm.

[Striker44]

No, I am not.

The comparison was that "if an older game can accomplish this, why can't a newer game?".

Sure, the player counts are different, but server tech is much, much improved from when LOTRO was in its prime.

But, as always, you are being combative. People only need to look at your post history to see that you are a little putrid worm.

I see little informed honesty from the OP. First, just because one game came after another doesn't mean it should automatically be able to do every single thing the first game does the same or better. Different games focus on different things, and that will naturally result in different capabilities for each game. I'm perfectly fine with FFXIV not magically managing to do exactly what every single other MMO ever created can do; it does the specific things that make me really enjoy a game very well, and that's all that matters. (For me, that's a good story, engaging characters, lots of side content, and a fun community.)

This part takes the cake, though:

But, even if you took that fake data, the figures I gave still weren't far off (I said 85,000). As far as I can remember, the last announced stats was around the 80,000+ monthly active mark.

"The absolutely baseless figures I gave must be good, because that data I just called completely useless says so."

December 2020 is very recent considering this is an old MMO where player churn wouldn't be anywhere near what it would be at the start.

Not at all. Data that's 2 years old is ancient history. Look at where WoW was in December 2020 compared to now...

[PirateRyanG]

I see little informed honesty from the OP. First, just because one game came after another doesn't mean it should automatically be able to do every single thing the first game does the same or better. Different games focus on different things, and that will naturally result in different capabilities for each game. I'm perfectly fine with FFXIV not magically managing to do exactly what every single other MMO ever created can do; it does the specific things that make me really enjoy a game very well, and that's all that matters. (For me, that's a good story, engaging characters, lots of side content, and a fun community.)

This part takes the cake, though:



"The absolutely baseless figures I gave must be good, because that data I just called completely useless says so."



Not at all. Data that's 2 years old is ancient history. Look at where WoW was in December 2020 compared to now...

The figures weren't baseless.

We know that LOTRO had 100,000 MAU in December 2020.

We know that LOTRO hit its peak player count (for 10 years) in April/May 2022 (on Steam).

Therefore, it stands to reason that there is zero chance there was a 50% player drop-off between December 2020 and now, especially since the current Steam count is roughly the same as it was during the 10-year peak.

[FireMage]

Man all this shilling for LOTRO is actually gross. Ignoring that it has an order of magnitude less players? Check. Improperly using statistics to try and show otherwise? Check. Ignoring the sheer difference in age and housing customization? Check. Flat out lying about server infrastructure of XIV? Check. And TC says they aren't a troll

[Striker44]

Therefore, it stands to reason that there is zero chance there was a 50% player drop-off between December 2020 and now, especially since the current Steam count is roughly the same as it was during the 10-year peak.

Again, look at WoW. It stands to a reason that 2-year-old data is meaningless even with equally worthless Steam data included.

None of which even matters given how you completely ignored my other points, and how even "if" your data was actually correct, FFXIV would still have about 4 times larger a population, and that's during a trough. The population at peak times is an even larger disparity.