Housing: Square Enix is failing to accomplish what Lord of The Rings Online did in 07

[FireMage]

The point was them being years apart. I literally couldn't make the comparison without mentioning that.

Alas, it is you that is speaking. You are one of the most combative people here, and you tend to avoid points. So, I am pretty much wasting my time responding to you.

You're a troll, you deserve to have people be combative towards you. You are making a bad faith comparison, and I am calling you out on it

The last figures were 86,000 monthly active (or thereabouts). That is a pretty substantial player base.

https://mmo-population.com/r/lotro#:...20subscribers.

Lying as per usual

[PirateRyanG]

You're a troll, you deserve to have people be combative towards you. You are making a bad faith comparison, and I am calling you out on it

No, I am not.

The comparison was that "if an older game can accomplish this, why can't a newer game?".

Sure, the player counts are different, but server tech is much, much improved from when LOTRO was in its prime.

But, as always, you are being combative. People only need to look at your post history to see that you are a little putrid worm.

[Striker44]

No, I am not.

The comparison was that "if an older game can accomplish this, why can't a newer game?".

Sure, the player counts are different, but server tech is much, much improved from when LOTRO was in its prime.

But, as always, you are being combative. People only need to look at your post history to see that you are a little putrid worm.

I see little informed honesty from the OP. First, just because one game came after another doesn't mean it should automatically be able to do every single thing the first game does the same or better. Different games focus on different things, and that will naturally result in different capabilities for each game. I'm perfectly fine with FFXIV not magically managing to do exactly what every single other MMO ever created can do; it does the specific things that make me really enjoy a game very well, and that's all that matters. (For me, that's a good story, engaging characters, lots of side content, and a fun community.)

This part takes the cake, though:

But, even if you took that fake data, the figures I gave still weren't far off (I said 85,000). As far as I can remember, the last announced stats was around the 80,000+ monthly active mark.

"The absolutely baseless figures I gave must be good, because that data I just called completely useless says so."

December 2020 is very recent considering this is an old MMO where player churn wouldn't be anywhere near what it would be at the start.

Not at all. Data that's 2 years old is ancient history. Look at where WoW was in December 2020 compared to now...

[PirateRyanG]

I see little informed honesty from the OP. First, just because one game came after another doesn't mean it should automatically be able to do every single thing the first game does the same or better. Different games focus on different things, and that will naturally result in different capabilities for each game. I'm perfectly fine with FFXIV not magically managing to do exactly what every single other MMO ever created can do; it does the specific things that make me really enjoy a game very well, and that's all that matters. (For me, that's a good story, engaging characters, lots of side content, and a fun community.)

This part takes the cake, though:



"The absolutely baseless figures I gave must be good, because that data I just called completely useless says so."



Not at all. Data that's 2 years old is ancient history. Look at where WoW was in December 2020 compared to now...

The figures weren't baseless.

We know that LOTRO had 100,000 MAU in December 2020.

We know that LOTRO hit its peak player count (for 10 years) in April/May 2022 (on Steam).

Therefore, it stands to reason that there is zero chance there was a 50% player drop-off between December 2020 and now, especially since the current Steam count is roughly the same as it was during the 10-year peak.

[FireMage]

Man all this shilling for LOTRO is actually gross. Ignoring that it has an order of magnitude less players? Check. Improperly using statistics to try and show otherwise? Check. Ignoring the sheer difference in age and housing customization? Check. Flat out lying about server infrastructure of XIV? Check. And TC says they aren't a troll

[Striker44]

Therefore, it stands to reason that there is zero chance there was a 50% player drop-off between December 2020 and now, especially since the current Steam count is roughly the same as it was during the 10-year peak.

Again, look at WoW. It stands to a reason that 2-year-old data is meaningless even with equally worthless Steam data included.

None of which even matters given how you completely ignored my other points, and how even "if" your data was actually correct, FFXIV would still have about 4 times larger a population, and that's during a trough. The population at peak times is an even larger disparity.

[PirateRyanG]

You're a troll, you deserve to have people be combative towards you. You are making a bad faith comparison, and I am calling you out on it



https://mmo-population.com/r/lotro#:...20subscribers.

Lying as per usual

MMO population is not a resource for actual MMO stats at all. It uses data from activity on social media, etc and then takes a guess. MMO Population says that this is what they do. Again, this is you showing that you are there to start an argument, not to do any legitimate research into anything.

But, even if you took that fake data, the figures I gave still weren't far off (I said 85,000). As far as I can remember, the last announced stats was around the 80,000+ monthly active mark.

The Lord of the Rings Online is estimated to have 54,381 players per day this month.

But, I bet nobody is going to bother checking your link, are they? To not only show that my stats are pretty close to what the link says, but that MMO Population is just guess work (which they admit)

[FireMage]

MMO population is not a resource for actual MMO stats at all. It uses data from activity on social media, etc and then takes a guess. MMO Population says that this is what they do. Again, this is you showing that you are there to start an argument, not to do any legitimate research into anything.

But, even if you took that fake data, the figures I gave still weren't far off (I said 85,000). As far as I can remember, the last announced stats was around the 80,000+ monthly active mark.

The Lord of the Rings Online is estimated to have 54,381 players per day this month.

But, I bet nobody is going to bother checking your link, are they? To not only show that my stats are pretty close to what the link says, but that MMO Population is just guess work (which they admit)

Your stats are purely hearsay, provide a source or be quiet, troll. Also image trying to pass of a difference of 30+% as close. You really can't get your facts straight can you, though it's not like you had any to begin with

[PirateRyanG]

Your stats are purely hearsay, provide a source or be quiet, troll. Also image trying to pass of a difference of 30+% as close. You really can't get your facts straight can you, though it's not like you had any to begin with

EG7 are the investors behind LOTRO.

December 2020 MAU was 100,000 players. 40% were VIP:

https://www.reddit.com/r/lotro/comme...isual_upgrade/

LOTRO didn't have a 50% player drop in the span of 2 years. That would be unsustainable. You would see mass layoffs. Plus, what would actually cause a subscriber drop that heavy in a game that has been around for 15 years? Nothing. The game is still releasing paid expansions...

[FireMage]

EG7 are the investors behind LOTRO.

December 2020 MAU was 100,000 players. 40% were VIP:

https://www.reddit.com/r/lotro/comme...isual_upgrade/

LOTRO didn't have a 50% player drop in the span of 2 years. That would be unsustainable. You would see mass layoffs. Plus, what would actually cause a subscriber drop that heavy in a game that has been around for 15 years? Nothing. The game is still releasing paid expansions...

So nothing remotely close to recent...come on surely you have better material? Even XIV has massive dropoffs. Find something recent or get lost