Healers need an overhaul

[PirateRyanG]

What is there to grip exactly when that exhibit literally showcased the healer don't need to exist at all in such situation? They're literally there just because Duty Finder says they have to be.



Would you rather people to attach a screenshot of some log? Because there are already some in this thread. I'm merely reposting what was linked in 2nd page. There are plenty other exhibits they can find within this thread, enough to make the point clear. I'm not going to repost all of that.

I can't think of a single first dungeon in any MMO where the healer needs to exist. Even most dungeons in ESO can now be accomplished without a healer (before you get into DLC or Vet content). Dungeon healing, especially early dungeon healing, is supposed to get you to grips with your spells. Not push you to the brink.

Although, you also seem to be ignoring the point that the person in that video is not pulling mobs in the same way that happens in a dungeon, particularly Satasha.

As a healer, go and do Satasha. Let a tank make the first pull (around the corner), while you run in and look at the colour of coral that you need to touch to trigger the first boss. Run back out, and your tank will have taken a sizeable chunk of damage that you will need to heal.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I can't think of a single first dungeon in any MMO where the healer needs to exist. Even most dungeons in ESO can now be accomplished without a healer (before you get into DLC or Vet content). Dungeon healing, especially early dungeon healing, is supposed to get you to grips with your spells. Not push you to the brink.

Although, you also seem to be ignoring the point that the person in that video is not pulling mobs in the same way that happens in a dungeon, particularly Satasha.

As a healer, go and do Satasha. Let a tank make the first pull (around the corner), while you run in and look at the colour of coral that you need to touch to trigger the first boss. Run back out, and your tank will have taken a sizeable chunk of damage that you will need to heal.

Alright, let's assume they pull more... Oh no! I have to cast a Cure I... and then 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1. Wow, so refreshing.

Then the tank gain confidence and decide to pull waayyy more. Oh no! I have to spam Cure I! Which is 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3. Wow, very inspiring.

If they don't want to raise healing requirement or make interesting healing (understandably so), then make downtime kits interesting.

[PirateRyanG]

Alright, let's assume they pull more... Oh no! I have to cast a Cure I... and then 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1. Wow, so refreshing.

Then the tank gain confidence and decide to pull waayyy more. Oh no! I have to spam Cure I! Which is 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3. Wow, very inspiring.

If they don't want to raise healing requirement or make interesting healing (understandably so), then make downtime kits interesting.

Because, once again, IT IS A FIRST DUNGEON.

The first dungeon is ALWAYS like that in any MMO.

Stop basing the entirety of healing on the very first dungeon that you enter.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Because, once again, IT IS A FIRST DUNGEON.

The first dungeon is ALWAYS like that in any MMO.

Stop basing the entirety of healing on the very first dungeon that you enter.

I linked the video in response to what Puc wrote (just above my reply where I linked it) but I just realized I never actually quote’d them (smh mobile reply) so if that confuses you, then my apologies.

But still: we minimize as much healing as possible to contribute elsewhere (dpsing) while making sure all unavoidable damage does not kill players, doesn’t matter whether it’s first duty or endgame. The ratio between healing vs damaging is unimaginably lopsided and THAT is ‘being in a good spot’? C'mon... Doesn't matter if the example given is more toward a hyperbole than anything, the point still stands. It's not overly complicated to read between the lines after this much pages.

[ForteNightshade]

I linked the video in response to what Puc wrote (just above my reply where I linked it) but I just realized I never actually quote’d them (smh mobile reply) so if that confuses you, then my apologies.

But still: we minimize as much healing as possible to contribute elsewhere (dpsing) while making sure all unavoidable damage does not kill players, doesn’t matter whether it’s first duty or endgame. The ratio between healing vs damaging is unimaginably lopsided and THAT is ‘being in a good spot’? C'mon... Doesn't matter if the example given is more toward a hyperbole than anything, the point still stands. It's not overly complicated to read between the lines after this much pages.

To emphasis this particular point. I have an Aglaia run, on content, where I pressed Dosis III over 500 times. Every other ability combined wouldn't equate to that many casts. Is Aglaia too easy? 144 of my 243 casts in P4S were on Dosis III. And before anyone tries to argue I chadded. My co-healer and I had an combined 97%

There is absolutely no justifying this level of "gameplay". Even Abyssos, which is a step forward, still has a ridiculous lopsided healing to DPS ratio. That wouldn't be a problem if your DPS rotation wasn't pressing a single button until your 1 key/X button breaks.

[Deceptus]

To emphasis this particular point. I have an Aglaia run, on content, where I pressed Dosis III over 500 times. Every other ability combined wouldn't equate to that many casts. Is Aglaia too easy? 144 of my 243 casts in P4S were on Dosis III. And before anyone tries to argue I chadded. My co-healer and I had an combined 97%

There is absolutely no justifying this level of "gameplay". Even Abyssos, which is a step forward, still has a ridiculous lopsided healing to DPS ratio. That wouldn't be a problem if your DPS rotation wasn't pressing a single button until your 1 key/X button breaks.

Said this before, our "filler spell" attacks come out as often as melee auto attacks. That should show the developers how pointless they are.

[WaxSw]

Because, once again, IT IS A FIRST DUNGEON.

The first dungeon is ALWAYS like that in any MMO.

Stop basing the entirety of healing on the very first dungeon that you enter.

You say that as if that doesn't happen all the way up to lv90 dungeons (yeah, those dungeons that are easily farmed with 1 tank and 3 dps) when even in high end content unless the battle literally doesn't allow you to hit the boss the nuke is across all healers over 50% of their total actions and the percentage goes way higher if we count only GCDs

[ASkellington]

Because, once again, IT IS A FIRST DUNGEON.

The first dungeon is ALWAYS like that in any MMO.

Stop basing the entirety of healing on the very first dungeon that you enter.

Do you need me to put up the like 2hr ish vod of me running Smileton over and over on my AST the "hardest healer" in the game to prove this goes all the way up to 90?

Don't even have to go all the way back to Pagl though I'm surprised it actually is that bad.

Smileton? I think is one of the 90 experts? Yeah the second boss is a friggin joke. I have video footage of that boss and specifically that boss for a reason:

Did you know that boss has a tank buster? I didn't! Cause majority of the time my group kills the thing before it goes off!!!! The boss opens with an AoE that you ALSO only see once on my usual runs.

...WHAT?

And if I recall, I made that during 6.08.

[Midareyukki]

Do you need me to put up the like 2hr ish vod of me running Smileton over and over on my AST the "hardest healer" in the game to prove this goes all the way up to 90?

...isn't Scholar the hardest healer? AST is all about preparing safety nets o,o

Still, yeah, even as an AST I'm just casting Combust and Malefic until stuff dies. If I press anything to heal it's bound to be Essential Dignity and Earthly Star (for damage too, no less). Maybe Exaltation, Intersection and a regen, but only so I don't get nasty surprises from tanks that don't use cooldowns/is undergeared. It's otherwise stupidly straightforward even at higher levels. To really make use of your kit and feel like you must use everything, you'd need your team to properly suck, massively. But unfortunately, even a mediocre team is really easy to handle. And AST especially has tools that just outright laugh at damage (Macrocosmos).

This is a bit toxic on my end, but often when my friends are learning how to tank and I heal them, they sometimes say "Sorry if I'm doing poorly" or so. I tell them "If I didn't press Synastry or cast Benefic 2, you're doing a good job". And while it's daft that I have to confirm they did a good job on whether or not I felt pressured to use my kit at all, it does go to show that the class can handle the bare minimum with a minor part of its kit.

Hell, I already had this mindset back in Shadowbringers anyway. I had friends who were skeptical of how strong Scholar and Astro were, especially in dungeons, "because they're not like White Mage whose heals are so strong". I'd run dungeons asking them to never once press a single cooldown. And again I would say "Didn't even cast Benefic".

While a bit of a braggart move and obviously I wouldn't do it to randoms, it proves the point. Healers are just so straightforward. There's no difference between going into Sastasha and pressing Malefic until you need to use a Benefic vs going into a higher level dungeon, spam Gravity until you need to use a charge of Essential Dignity.

I sometimes feel bad. I know that things will be fine. I have regens on, Earthly Star ticking, two charges of Essential Dignity that are more useful at 30% or lower health, regens, some shields and I could have Macrocosmos'ed if I wanted to. And so many other spells that I'm just not bothered to use. The point is that the tank will be fine.
But I feel like if I don't pretend like I need to heal a little, the random tank on Roulettes will get mad and accuse me of not healing. Some people aren't comfortable with me playing ping pong with their health.
Even when the tanks can self-heal now, I still feel pressured to do something, because I'm scared of looking like I'm griefing.

[ASkellington]

...isn't Scholar the hardest healer?

Its in quotes for a reason. AST is considered "hard" or "complex" because of the card system and weaving.

And I'm over here going like: "it is literally no harder than any other healer even considering your opener lmao".

If I ever press Lightspeed (because I am stubbornly refusing to use it to finish off being optimal and thus "done" with AST not going to bother using it for my opener outside of EX and Savage I am not doing) to spam Benefic 2 something's gone wrong.

Of my toolkit in 90 content with W2W pulls for AST its usually Macro/Exalt for first pull with ED and/or CI as needed and then ES CI/ED for second pull provided dps slays adds in seconds. Otherwise well if I need to press Benefic 2 I will. /shrug

Neutral Sect? Never heard of them.