[Question] Lootmaster etiquette sanity check

[san-toki]

"Everyone gets a weapon and chest coffer, but only if they didn't get one as a drop".

I think a simpler way to phrase this would be "everyone gets their BiS." Everyone gets BiS, and then the rest is FFA/by request.

But I do agree that both methods are viable if the static agrees to it; clearly I am biased towards thinking one way is fairer than the other. Mostly this thread was a vent that I made after our raid night was over, but it's been good hearing from both sides, for the most part.

At the end of the day, like it's been said, loot itself doesn't matter much. The tier is over in all meaningful aspects, and this gear will be pointless soon. I only log on for reclears lately anyhow. I suppose it was more the principle of the thing that felt like a slap in the face, a cherry on top of what I would describe as a very contentious and unfortunate few months of raiding.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I think a simpler way to phrase this would be "everyone gets their BiS." Everyone gets BiS, and then the rest is FFA/by request.

But I do agree that both methods are viable if the static agrees to it; clearly I am biased towards thinking one way is fairer than the other. Mostly this thread was a vent that I made after our raid night was over, but it's been good hearing from both sides, for the most part.

At the end of the day, like it's been said, loot itself doesn't matter much. The tier is over in all meaningful aspects, and this gear will be pointless soon. I only log on for reclears lately anyhow. I suppose it was more the principle of the thing that felt like a slap in the face, a cherry on top of what I would describe as a very contentious and unfortunate few months of raiding.

So let me understand this. we are comparing these two possibilities in a set of eight(8) clears:

DPS 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random weapon (ideally sub), 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 2: 1x random weapon (BIS), 1x weapon coffer (sub job)

VS

DPS 1: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 1: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random weapon, 1x weapon coffer (BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (BIS + FFA)
Healer 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (already got BIS)

In Scenario 1, everyone gets:
- 1x BIS weapon
- 1x non-main weapon

In Scenario 2, everyone gets:
- 1x BIS weapon by any means
- ?x Weapon coffers
- ?x random weapons

as ugly as it sounds, hypothetically in 8 clears, it could also look like this according to what I understood:

DPS 1: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 2: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 3: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
DPS 4: 1x random weapon, 2x weapon coffer (1 BIS, 1 FFA)
Tank 1: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Tank 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Healer 1: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)
Healer 2: 1x random BIS WEAPON, 0x weapon coffer (because they already got BIS)

"Everyone got a BIS weapon and 8 books, so this is okay".

Both as a player and as a raid leader, I'd cringe if I would be okay with such a loot order. I would not lead a static with this rule and I'd refuse to raid with a static using this rule. Scenario 2 has the potential where multiple people can be loot goblins while others will be left with minimal reward. Simply speaking, for a standard 8-clear set, this is not a fair rule and anyone accepting to raid under such conditions has the potential to be exploited off their effort and time they bring to the raid static.

I highly recommend people to use party finder if you are at the stage where you want to be a loot goblin.