Can we get a 'Role Sprout' icon?

[FireMage]

Can you memorize every tooltip when you are just starting a new job

Aside from potency yes, it's basic reading competency

[Shibi]

Aside from potency yes, it's basic reading competency

Do you think - for example - when is the best time to use Soteria is explained in the tooltips? Or is that something that comes with practice?

PS: ok but really that does NOT look like a leaf, Japan x_x graphics design is not your passion.

hehe, I can clearly see the reason behind your confusion! I think the graphics design of the arrow was very much based as the sprout's first day, when they haven't opened up.

[FireMage]

Do you think - for example - when is the best time to use Soteria is explained in the tooltips? Or is that something that comes with practice?

Strawman. The point was you should know what your tools are. Attack the point made or be quiet

[Shibi]

Strawman. The point was you should know what your tools are. Attack the point made or be quiet

Who shat on your weetbix?

Look, it's not a strawman at all, you have all classes at max, so you should well know that even perfectly memorised the tooltips are not going to help a day 1 healer thrown into a level 70 dungeon. And that's going back to the premise of the very first post.

"read your tooltips" is fine if you are DPS, or maybe have a healer and are doing your second - but sorry, you are wrong, it's not a be all and end all.

[FireMage]

Who shat on your weetbix?

Look, it's not a strawman at all, you have all classes at max, so you should well know that even perfectly memorised the tooltips are not going to help a day 1 healer thrown into a level 70 dungeon. And that's going back to the premise of the very first post.

"read your tooltips" is fine if you are DPS, or maybe have a healer and are doing your second - but sorry, you are wrong, it's not a be all and end all.

I'm not wrong at all. Again, potency numbers are the only thing that you shouldn't know off hand, and it's not hard to with looking over your abilities see what you have stock of and have a basic idea that some things were better versions of others

[PirateRyanG]

Who shat on your weetbix?

Look, it's not a strawman at all, you have all classes at max, so you should well know that even perfectly memorised the tooltips are not going to help a day 1 healer thrown into a level 70 dungeon. And that's going back to the premise of the very first post.

"read your tooltips" is fine if you are DPS, or maybe have a healer and are doing your second - but sorry, you are wrong, it's not a be all and end all.

It's because they has it in for me. That is why they are not a fan of this idea. Nothing more. I believe it stated when they accused me of being somebody I am not, and I called them out on it.

I am sure that they would be fine with this suggestion if it came from somebody else. I am also positive that they are not so dense as to not realise different learning styles exist. Many are going to be fine with reading tool tips. However, plenty will also be more kinetic learners and they need to use the skills in action to make sense.

[Tiramu]

Who shat on your weetbix?

Look, it's not a strawman at all, you have all classes at max, so you should well know that even perfectly memorised the tooltips are not going to help a day 1 healer thrown into a level 70 dungeon. And that's going back to the premise of the very first post.

"read your tooltips" is fine if you are DPS, or maybe have a healer and are doing your second - but sorry, you are wrong, it's not a be all and end all.

He's FireMage, it took me a while to twig on, but he's pretty famous on certain gaming forums. Acting like someone shat on his weetabix and trying to get under peoples skin is kinda his thing. He knows what he is doing.

[FireMage]

It's because they has it in for me. That is why they are not a fan of this idea. Nothing more. I believe it stated when they accused me of being somebody I am not, and I called them out on it.

I am sure that they would be fine with this suggestion if it came from somebody else. I am also positive that they are not so dense as to not realise different learning styles exist. Many are going to be fine with reading tool tips. However, plenty will also be more kinetic learners and they need to use the skills in action to make sense.

No, the idea is garbage regardless of you being a troll. We need less babying in this game, not more. Like if you can't figure out basic healing, uninstall, full stop

[PirateRyanG]

No, the idea is garbage regardless of you being a troll. We need less babying in this game, not more. Like if you can't figure out basic healing, uninstall, full stop

The problem isn't learning the basics. I can heal perfectly fine now. I have been able to heal perfectly fine as soon as I hopped into a dungeon for the first time. Have had initial issues with one or two later dungeons, mostly because you can't just read mechanics, you need to experience them. So, lots of overhealing. Something I would only have been able to learn in a practical situation. Although, jumping from WHM to AST was originally tricky because AST seems to have lower potency on their heals (or at least that is what it feels like), and the Mana recovery requirements are different. This means that you have to weave in even more skills to recover mana (including tossing out the cards). They may play exactly the same as the WHM in some healing which is easy to pick up, but there are other intricacies there too. As I said, there are some AST skills that won't even activate unless you are in combat and you don't know because the tooltips are poorly written.

You can even admit that Sage is completely different from that, and at first glance looking at the skills can be confusing as hell, particularly if you are jumping from WHM or AST (I haven't played SCH). Because you are doing far, far less active healing. It takes a while of in-game practice to get into the flow with that. You aren't learning it from a target dummy. A target dummy isn't tossing out damage at you. You don't know what your spell is healing the tank for.

However, if I decided to play as a DPS or Tank (something I have never, ever done in an MMO). Reading tooltips isn't going to get me anywhere. I may be able to nail the combos because FFXIV makes them all flashy. However, working out where to weave in my long cooldown spells? Positioning myself for the highest damage? All of that is going to take time for me to learn. It is a completely different way of playing from on my WHM. Even if I am doing DPS on a WHM because healing requirements are minimal, I would be avoiding completely different mechanics from those that DPS or tank. I don't have to pay attention so much to stray adds, particularly in a heavy damage fight. The tank will do, though.

I am 100% positive that the tooltips don't say when they grab adds. When to use your defensive cooldowns, etc. There are even people on this forum that seem to believe that defensive cooldowns stack. Why? Because the tooltips don't say anything different.

I personally struggle with melee in any MMO. Mostly because I have always played a caster, and I can work out caster range with ease. However, melee range is awful to get right when you are inexperienced. Again, you need that practical experience. No amount of reading tooltips will happen there.

I am so glad that you jumped into all of your jobs and played them perfectly from the get-go, though. Well done.

[FireMage]

Not hard to not be a bad. Or a troll