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    Azuri Aeru
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Can it also come with a setting to never be matched with aforementioned "role sprouts". I really can't be bothered with someone wetting their pants because they had to press a mitigation button.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiramu View Post
    Training dummies dont teach tanks to mitigate or how to pull.

    They are also pretty useless for black mages, where learning how to be casting through mechanics, and how to avoid mechanics while casting, is the bane of BLM.

    This kinda stuff is also true for any jobs.

    Also, before training dummies are useful at all, you need to know your rotations. Most people who know their rotations learn them outside of the game.

    The reason a lot of players go into roulettes blind is because the game does not teach them.
    It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations
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    Tira Mu
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    Raiden
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations
    You cant have it both ways, complaining endlessly about bad players, but also resisting the game teaching players better.
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    WHM / BLM / SMN / NIN/ DNC / Omnicrafter and Gatherer

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    Aserana Swian
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    It's not game's responsibility to teach rotations
    Rotations tend not to be the issue. It is using the skills in a live environment.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiramu View Post
    You cant have it both ways, complaining endlessly about bad players, but also resisting the game teaching players better.
    The game gives all the info it needs to. Name other games that tell you things beyond the basics, go on
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    The game gives all the info it needs to. Name other games that tell you things beyond the basics, go on
    Age of Empires 2 has advanced tutorials for some of the more advanced concepts in the game.
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    Aserana Swian
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Age of Empires 2 has advanced tutorials for some of the more advanced concepts in the game.
    World of Warcraft even had an advanced DPS/Healing/Tank tutorial once you hit max level too. (in MOP) and you couldn't even enter a heroic unless you had completed it.
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    Friel Wyndor
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Sounds good, I'd be okay with a "Role Sprout" icon. I bet there are a ton of players who played nothing but one job the entire time they blazed through MSQ all the way to Endwalker and still don't understand half the game. And that's not even including people who bought story/job skips.

    Actually, I wouldn't mind having a Role Spout icon that kicked back in if I haven't played a given role in a while. I try and make myself tank sometimes, but I've only ever done normal 4-player dungeons, and it's been a bit since I did even that. I've kinda been avoiding going back to tanking, to be honest. I probably deserve a little broken shield icon before my name the next time I pop into somebody's roulette on my paladin, if only as a warning to my party members to "prepare for a bad time" lol.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PirateRyanG View Post
    Rotations tend not to be the issue. It is using the skills in a live environment.
    Git gud 5head
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Git gud 5head
    And you call me a troll...
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