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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    This is what Matsuno tweeted. Translation of said tweets is below.

    Matsuo: As I mentioned in an interview last year, we omitted Dalmasca because we decided it wasn't a good idea to have the players go through another war story. So, we included something of an epilogue after the Resistance storyline in the form of the Field Notes for some of the characters.

    In fact, I played Bozja after its implementation and felt that I had my fill of heavy and tragic war stories (laughs). Also, the war with the empire was part of the 6.0 MSQ, so I thought that would be enough.

    In light of the reaction to Save the Queen in patches 5.35 and 5.45, I decided that a Dalmasca chapter set on the battlefield would be unnecessary. Since the 5.55 scenario had already been completed and was being prepared for release, I decided to at least describe the events that happened, so I modified the Field Notes.
    Ah, i didn't see that middle part. I thought not making a war story was a decision made by the whole team, turns out he personally didn't want to tell that kind of story.

    Now i really want to know what kind of tale he would have for Dalmasca.

    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Games need a conflict. A plot. Something to resolve and get interested in. Whether you acknowledge it or not, wars are a good way to do that. FFIX, VI, IV, etc have wars going on even if it's in the background. So did this game until someone stuck their dorito-encrusted fingers into the story and started ending plotlines left and right with hardly a concrete plan for the future until relatively recently. I do not understand the newfound aversion some people in this thread have to it. It's a video game, not real life.
    I'm all for a conflict like i said in my post. I just don't feel it have to be a war story, and it's probably what the others in this thread means by that too.
    FFVII wasn't a war story, neither were FFVIII or FFX. You can have conflict without wars. There's many differents themes that can be explored. I wouldn't mind another war, i just don't want one at the forefront of the plot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RukoBoshi View Post
    I'm all for a conflict like i said in my post. I just don't feel it have to be a war story, and it's probably what the others in this thread means by that too.
    FFVII wasn't a war story, neither were FFVIII or FFX. You can have conflict without wars. There's many differents themes that can be explored. I wouldn't mind another war, i just don't want one at the forefront of the plot.
    Alright, then our options are a successful demon invasion from the Void, the unstable sundering collapsing on itself and causing rejoinings, something from outer space landing on the source and causing problems out of the blue, or political conflicts between warring regions. With people in here vetoing anything that would threaten the perfect state of the source, it seems that they are the ones who are impossible to satisfy instead me like how I'm often accused.

    To the people who are so worried about something happening to the source: Forge Ahead. Because right now there's a whole lot of nothing going on except for whatever Golbez is twirling his moustache over, and a competent writer would let that lead into either demon invasion or rejoinings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Alright, then our options are a successful demon invasion from the Void, the unstable sundering collapsing on itself and causing rejoinings, something from outer space landing on the source and causing problems out of the blue, or political conflicts between warring regions. With people in here vetoing anything that would threaten the perfect state of the source, it seems that they are the ones who are impossible to satisfy instead me like how I'm often accused.

    To the people who are so worried about something happening to the source: Forge Ahead. Because right now there's a whole lot of nothing going on except for whatever Golbez is twirling his moustache over, and a competent writer would let that lead into either demon invasion or rejoinings.
    Well, i agree with that, a void invasion would be interesting and a great motivation to explore Meracydia, since there was a voidgate there.
    Again, i don't think people here are against the source being in danger. No one wants the MSQ to be crafting and gathering after all, we all want to put our fighting skills to use.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Knowing how he writes, likely a telling of people trying to either kidnap or subvert the princess in order to take control of the resurfacing Dalmasca, all while we get caught up in the web of machinations and possibly even have a few plots trying to make us take the fall for her death/disappearance. Possibly with us figuring it out and managing to avoid it thanks to our previous experience with the events surrounding 2.55 and Nanamo. Meaning more of a political drama than anything, with little fighting. But when it comes up, man will there be fighting.
    That would be really nice. I loved the political focus of ARR and some parts of expansions. I loved it in FFXII and i always like more of this in XIV.
    If they could make explorations zones around Dalmasca that would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post

    To the people who are so worried about something happening to the source: Forge Ahead. Because right now there's a whole lot of nothing going on except for whatever Golbez is twirling his moustache over, and a competent writer would let that lead into either demon invasion or rejoinings.
    Funny that you believe that any kind of "war" story or threat of another rejoining would lead to us losing. Right now the WoL has won any of these conflicts and stopped the rejoning of the First. What makes you believe that a another rejoining would happen? And why would it need to happen? The main Ascians are dead, none of the remaining ones should be powerful enough to plan something that basically makes a shard ready for a rejoining. Remember both the source and shard needs to be prepared for that...

    We had a ongoing war since ARR...and here you still want a war as if that is not going to be boring after such a long time.

    _________

    About our power:

    The WoL is the type of person that helps no matter what. So we will always help the weaker people. And for a main villain: Well we are still human, get some poison out, use some new world technic that temporarily knocks us out because we had no idea what it is (but will overcome later), overwhelm us in numbers, threaten someone we love or simply let the enemy be a person in power that we cant attack because it would lead to political conflicts. Things that FF14 has already used over the time.

    If we ever go to another shard, they could easily explain that the density of aether is different and thus we need time to get used to that.

    I just dont see a need to depower us permanently. Even against the Endsinger we had help and without the Scions and their prayers we would have died. We are not a unstoppable god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    What makes you believe that a rejoining would happen? And why would it need to happen? The main Ascians are dead, none of the remaining ones should be powerful enough to stake something that bascially makes a shard ready for a rejoining. Remember both the source and shard needs to be prep for that...
    Something I've noticed from multiple people trying to predict future events, especially on the official forums but also elsewhere, is that there's a bunch of people who assert that a Rejoining must be in the future without any real care for how astronomically implausible that is. In fact, almost acting like it's an inevitability; that there must be a Rejoining in the future, it's just a matter of figuring out how. I think there's two general approaches that lead there:

    A: People deciding that Rejoinings are somehow a good thing, or can be done peacefully and positively, rather than 'oh yeah that's unambiguously a bad thing for literally every living soul on all involved planets that only the Ascians ever had anything to gain from'. This I think is why the OF has this more often than elsewhere, because there's an atypically large pro-Zodiark/Convocation/Ascian segment of the population here; they want to see another Rejoining in part because either they want to see a 'good Rejoining' (which is akin to saying 'a good earthquake'), or they think all Rejoinings are somehow good Rejoinings.

    And B: Just a general lack of originality; they go for a Rejoining as an apparently inevitable future event not because Rejoinings actually are likely or inevitable, but because it's the only thing they can think of. The only threat or game-changer they can imagine is a Rejoining because they just can't imagine the game having stakes or major players different than what they're already familiar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RukoBoshi View Post
    Ah, i didn't see that middle part. I thought not making a war story was a decision made by the whole team, turns out he personally didn't want to tell that kind of story.

    Now i really want to know what kind of tale he would have for Dalmasca.
    Knowing how he writes, likely a telling of people trying to either kidnap or subvert the princess in order to take control of the resurfacing Dalmasca, all while we get caught up in the web of machinations and possibly even have a few plots trying to make us take the fall for her death/disappearance. Possibly with us figuring it out and managing to avoid it thanks to our previous experience with the events surrounding 2.55 and Nanamo. Meaning more of a political drama than anything, with little fighting. But when it comes up, man will there be fighting.
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