A game for 4 year olds

[RyuDragnier]

I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.

You want to go there, let's go there. I lost my aunt the first week of Endwalker, and found out during the cutscene with Venat after the trial. Less than a month later, I lost one of my uncles. The very next month (February 9th of this year), my father died. The expansion resonated with me after my aunt's death, and I'd say I'm far less of a train wreck I would have been with the deaths if not for how well they pulled off the expansion's themes. Also, you get an ignore from me for even daring to cross that fucking line, Aveyond.

[Carin-Eri]

I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.

If I were to ask one of the Clinical Psychologists I work with to define "normal human being" I'm very confident they'd laugh at the absurdity of it. Frankly, as I said in my previous post, you're judging everyone by your standards, and that isn't a healthy mindset.

Whether you like it or not, the basic premise - wallowing in despair being self-defeating - is a message that does resonate with some and it isn't for you to tell anyone that they're wrong/that it isn't 'normal' to feel that way.

[KariTheFox]

I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.

I'm not suprised that people were not "appreciative" of you talking (in a very even-handed and unbiased way, I'm sure.) about how horrible Endwalker's writing is.

What do I even say to this? You honestly believe that people who like a video game's story and themes haven't experienced loss? Am I being trolled right now?

[KariTheFox]

[Kazemon15]

Pretty much, thank you.

Such a horrible person he is. Not just a troll, but a legit horrible person who has no compassion and empathy.

[Kozh]

If they don't matter then why even show their deaths? Why have one of the mantras the WoL uses to continue their fight still be For those we have lost. Those who we can still yet save? Not showing them would probably have more people complaining about the lack of deaths. If a nameless nobody's death doesn't matter then why should the death of someone you know?

Because the game tried to cheaply manipulate you? They aren't brave enough to kill characters people truly care, like the twins or waifu ysthola, so they killed the safe ones instead. Has been that way since post HW, as you can see by characters who died and sidelined. Papalymo, minfilia, lyse, arenvald, and random citizens.

Also funny how you said that non named npc death doesn't matter to "certain" crowd. If you try to bring up those npc deaths in reddit or other place, most of the time they'll go "lol, who?". And we know reddit is the place for ffxiv simps.

[KageTokage]

Well, if there is one theme from the expansion this topic has certainly demonstrated, it's that different people can have drastically different emotional responses to the same situations be they positive or negative.

I wouldn't say I find character deaths absolutely mandatory to making me emotionally invested in a story, though I was still expecting to have more of a...lasting impression from a world-ending apocalypse instead of having to constantly remind myself that one was happening in the first place.

[SannaR]

Well, if there is one theme from the expansion this topic has certainly demonstrated, it's that different people can have drastically different emotional responses to the same situations be they positive or negative.

I wouldn't say I find character deaths absolutely mandatory to making me emotionally invested in a story, though I was still expecting to have more of a...lasting impression from a world-ending apocalypse instead of having to constantly remind myself that one was happening in the first place.

Did you feel the same way the other time the game has said (insert really bad and maybe urgent thing is happening here) that it also has given about the same amount of showing? Cause it's been like that more than just now. So if you haven't then I wonder why it didn't stick this time. I let this slide due to the medium we're consuming. That and any other time the story has been all hey this thing is really important but we're not going to change the sky box for all zones. Just a few zones or so. I do wonder how their sky boxes are coded. If there's some kind of limit. For me it worked due to how it's explained. The thinnest places get hit first and the worst. And would see the most change. Not saying that at least visually it couldn't have been better cause they could have done more. Yet I do know some would have wanted sort of what happened during the end of 1.0 where there'd be random stuff happening. Which idk if they can do that

[KageTokage]

Did you feel the same way the other time the game has said (insert really bad and maybe urgent thing is happening here) that it also has given about the same amount of showing? Cause it's been like that more than just now. So if you haven't then I wonder why it didn't stick this time. I let this slide due to the medium we're consuming. That and any other time the story has been all hey this thing is really important but we're not going to change the sky box for all zones. Just a few zones or so. I do wonder how their sky boxes are coded. If there's some kind of limit. For me it worked due to how it's explained. The thinnest places get hit first and the worst. And would see the most change. Not saying that at least visually it couldn't have been better cause they could have done more. Yet I do know some would have wanted sort of what happened during the end of 1.0 where there'd be random stuff happening. Which idk if they can do that

I can't recall any situations even remotely near the same level of urgency throughout the MSQ save for the tail end of Shadowbringers, which incidentally was a much stronger push to see things through to see the end then what I got from anything in Endwalker.

I honestly think I got more catharsis from (Hopefully...) being rid of Zenos for good then I did the whole "saved the entire world" bit because it didn't feel like it was in grave danger it was stated to be with how limited the scope of the Final Days was.

[SannaR]

I can't recall any situations even remotely near the same level of urgency throughout the MSQ save for the tail end of Shadowbringers, which incidentally was a much stronger push to see things through to see the end then what I got from anything in Endwalker.

I honestly think I got more catharsis from (Hopefully...) being rid of Zenos for good then I did the whole "saved the entire world" bit because it didn't feel like it was in grave danger it was stated to be with how limited the scope of the Final Days was.

There are people who feel or felt that we shouldn't have been able to enter Ul'dah, Limsa or Gridania back when 2.55 and before we learn Nanamo hadn't actually died. Or have more people react in the towns when baby Dalamud was in the sky. Or when the Towers appeared. Basically any time the skybox got changed or something that should have had a bigger impact than just a zone or two. Like how no one but that Dwarven town reacted to a different part of the mountain side exploding due to the Nier shenanigans.