We anticipate that even with this update, third parties will continue

[Stormpeaks]

You're the one crying. All you do around here.

Did you just say that after 2 people went full baby mode on me for saying "SE is a small indie company" ?

Please get help lmao

Can't I do both? At the same time? Wait...can I? I must test this.

Well then it's even more of a win win, because it'll take less time to pee!

[Jojoya]

WoW is the go-to scapegoat.

Which is funny, considering that - especially now, having gotten into WoW thanks to a friend's recommendation - it's abundantly clear Yoshida 'saved' 1.0 by literally just copy-pasting a ton of things WoW did. Beyond simple "taking inspiration", just full on yanking out WoW systems (and somehow making them worse more often than not). This entire game was genuinely built as an attempted WoW clone in a FF skin, so people bringing WoW up as the big bad evil just makes me laugh nowadays.

Except it's not an outright WoW clone. There are significant differences between FFXIV and the WoW of 2012 (when FFXIV 1.0 was being burned down to be rebuilt into ARR).

Probably the most clonelike part would be tomestones = Valor Points/Justice Points. Valor Points would be the current Causality. Justice Points would be the current Astronomy. And I'm honestly glad they did it. I like knowing that even if I'm not getting lucky from the loot chests, I will be able to buy an item of my choice to fill in what I feel is my most pressing gear need.

WoW got rid of Justice Points in MoP, and phased out Valor Points over the course of that expansion to move into an entirely RNG based gearing system (since crafted and rep gear was useless). And players have hated it. Never knowing if they'll get what they need, losing their raid spots because they didn't get the right trinket drop but someone else did.

I know a lot of players find this gearing system boring but at least it means you don't have to worry about losing your raid spot because of simple RNG.

[AwesomeJr44]

Square Enix is a small indie company guys please understand, dont forget to keep buying items off the mog shop so you can fund the anti-RMT system that will never happen because its impossible to stop RMT, and please stay tuned for the next "fixes to RMT" that will only bother the players and not the RMT'ers.

You're welcome, World of Warcraft shill-of-the-week.

I personally don't like WoW, but I'm not sure why it's treated as some bogeyman. Why does being critical of SE make you a WoW shill? Perhaps I'm missing some context here but it seems really weird to just assume that not liking this change means you shill for WoW. From what I'm seeing here (again, might be missing context) Stormpeaks didn't even mention WoW so not sure why it's being brought up.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Square Enix is a small indie company guys please understand, dont forget to keep buying items off the mog shop so you can fund the anti-RMT system that will never happen because its impossible to stop RMT, and please stay tuned for the next "fixes to RMT" that will only bother the players and not the RMT'ers.

So then what's the solution since you're so smart? How does SE deal with this issue of charge backs n such?

And I don't want hear the typical "not my job to figure it out".

Oh and before you twist this (as you do often) I've never once stated their current course of action is good or bad. So I don't want to see another "oh yur defending everything" lie here either

[Stormpeaks]

So then what's the solution since you're so smart? How does SE deal with this issue of charge backs n such?

And I don't want hear the typical "not my job to figure it out".

Oh and before you twist this (as you do often) I've never once stated their current course of action is good or bad. So I don't want to see another "oh yur defending everything" lie here either

Not getting paid to do their job am I ? They have more than enough money to figure out a plan that doesnt involve screwing all the people who gift to their friends and their fc friends/family.

A good start would be to ban the 35 lalas that are under the ground in Limsa as of right now on Phantom, those people are not legit players.

[KremlinKOA]

Is this one though?

The money they were losing from the chargebacks was magnitudes higher than the amount they would lose by implementing this solution in the short term. And if the multiple sources about Visa looking into them are true, they didn't have much time to work on a proper solution and effectively needed to get one out the door ASAP, thus had to go with the solution that would be quickest to implement without having to meticulously go over every single potential loophole. From a pure business standpoint, they can afford to temporarily annoy people in their fanbase for a short bit in order to crush the RMT vendors outright while they work on the actual solution.

Regardless of how players feel about it, the current solution is literally the furthest thing from a mistake to Square.

Especially since you fail to realize.that consumers, by far and large, are extremely forgiving and in the moment. 'Oops, we messed up! tee-hee' from Square in a few days/weeks time when they have the proper solution built and tested will instantly restore favor to 99% of annoyed people. Even in your new coke scenario, the moment coca-cola brought back the old recipe, their sales skyrocketed. and everyone forgave them as though nothing happened. New coke wasn't even a mistake for the company, it was literally one of the best marketing campaigns in history, completely by accident. If you wanted to cite a corporate mistake that had actual negative effects, I would have personally gone with Subway's 'not actually footlong' or 'their bread is classified as a desert in Ireland due to the amount of sugar in the recipe'.

If nothing else, just take a look at Blizzard's track record and how the vast majority of their consumers keep coming back to the new shiny thing, when every single game they've released lately has just been riddled with controversy.

"Diablo Immoral was ultra bad in its monetization, but Blizzard has totally learned their lesson and will make Overwatch 2 totally fair, right guys? I'm gonna buy day 1!"



*Que sad trombone*

You are wrong.
It IS a mistake
You spoke about the 'easiest ti implement solution.
But they took down the shop while working on this solution. Which means they paused the issue to give themselves time.
Hell, In my response to Ikara Greydancer below I will repeat a solution I mentioned earlier in this thread. A solution other game companies have used, and that had better results.
So, other, just as easy to implement, solutions exist, that woulds have had a better impact. They chose a poor one.

So then what's the solution since you're so smart? How does SE deal with this issue of charge backs n such?

And I don't want hear the typical "not my job to figure it out".

Oh and before you twist this (as you do often) I've never once stated their current course of action is good or bad. So I don't want to see another "oh yur defending everything" lie here either

A better solution?
Here is one of my earlier posts.

I am saying their error is choosing the wrong solution.

In this case. Consider instead simply restricting the ability to purchase gifts to those accounts that have had a OTP for at least 30 days.

Sure, new accounts are restricted from gifting. But the ability for Streamers, Content Creators, FC leaders and RP social hub operators to continue their prize systems, and other use of gifts, would continue unhindered.

It would also solve the 'account got hacked and used for RMT' issue

As OTP and 2FA have proven the single most effective defense against such things.

SE chose a poor solution that carries negative effects, both for them, and for the players.

That solution requires less coding ti implement, and would provide superior protections to SE against hacked accounts being used for RMT

[IkaraGreydancer]

Not getting paid to do their job am I ? They have more than enough money to figure out a plan that doesnt involve screwing all the people who gift to their friends and their fc friends/family.

Ahhh...so you use that response anyways...
I'm actually convinced you're a troll now. Why is it NOW you aren't getting paid to fix an issue so you're not speaking on it...yet on any other topic you're QUICK to talk about what needed to change and how. Sounds to me like you don't actually have a fix/idea for this and want to look cool by spouting bull. Do better

Edit: Not like anyone would want to be missed by you. Come on now xD

[Stormpeaks]

Ahhh...so you use that response anyways...
I'm actually convinced you're a troll now. Why is it NOW you aren't getting paid to finance issue so you're not speaking on it...yet on any other topic you're QUICK to talk about what needed to change. Sounds to me like you don't actually have a fix/idea for this and want to look cool by spouting bull. Do better

Alright buddy, the person above responded to you, you should respond to him

Also if I'm a troll please block me lmao, dont worry I wont miss you

[IkaraGreydancer]

You are wrong.
It IS a mistake
You spoke about the 'easiest ti implement solution.
But they took down the shop while working on this solution. Which means they paused the issue to give themselves time.
Hell, In my response to Ikara Greydancer below I will repeat a solution I mentioned earlier in this thread. A solution other game companies have used, and that had better results.
So, other, just as easy to implement, solutions exist, that woulds have had a better impact. They chose a poor one.



A better solution?
Here is one of my earlier posts.


That solution requires less coding ti implement, and would provide superior protections to SE against hacked accounts being used for RMT

Maybe I'm understanding you wrong but how does that put a stop to exciting longstanding accounts from doing this?

[kpxmanifesto]

I mean the first one to throw a fit over "SE indie company" meme was DPZ and then in true karen fashion Sassy says it's not funny, yet the one is crying is Stormpeaks? lul. Oh no someone said SE is an indie company, better call them a WoW shill like that's also not a dead meme at this point.

I guess we can all make it fair and say we're all crying tho bcos I like the lil piss fight that's going on here

They're both just trolling stormpeaks. I've had them on ignore for quite some time, lmao. No point in feeding the trolls.