Time to address the real problem - RMT buyers

[Oizen]

does it ever occur to you that even though these bots can be banned more still come?

Might stop if the leader of said FC was banned, or at the very least the player in said FC mushing them around with peloton

[Atelier-Bagur]

Might stop if the leader of said FC was banned, or at the very least the player in said FC mushing them around with peloton

Then I trust you relayed that information to the GMs with proof of their ne'er do welling to you and the community properly.

[ReynTime]

Then I trust you relayed that information to the GMs with proof of their ne'er do welling to you and the community properly.

Players have tried giving detailed reports for years on bot sightings and LITERALLY NOTHING GETS DONE with reported bots being recognized in the open to this day so kindly stay out of the discussions if you're just gonna show up to make sarcastic remarks to shill for the billionaire company.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Players have tried giving detailed reports for years on bot sightings and LITERALLY NOTHING GETS DONE with reported bots being recognized in the open to this day so kindly stay out of the discussions if you're just gonna show up to make sarcastic remarks to shill for the billionaire company.

Im really not, just looking for the plausibility of alt or duplicate accounts for bots. They're like cockroaches, its very hard to get rid of their infestation even when you report one.

[LianaThorne]

Players have tried giving detailed reports for years on bot sightings and LITERALLY NOTHING GETS DONE with reported bots being recognized in the open to this day so kindly stay out of the discussions if you're just gonna show up to make sarcastic remarks to shill for the billionaire company.

Just in case you're not aware, to be a shill you need to be paid by a company/individual or have an actual close personal relationship with them. Just, pointing that out since a lot of people having been using the word incorrectly lately.

Second, RMT bots should absolutely be banned but how would you suggest it be done? They can easily make multiple accounts without batting an eyelash and bypass IP bans with VPNs or getting a new IP address all together which really does not take much effort. How do you actually cut off the problem?

Genuine question cause I'm actually curious if anyone knows a real solution.

[Renalt]

Second, RMT bots should absolutely be banned but how would you suggest it be done? They can easily make multiple accounts without batting an eyelash and bypass IP bans with VPNs or getting a new IP address all together which really does not take much effort. How do you actually cut off the problem?

Genuine question cause I'm actually curious if anyone knows a real solution.

Those guys that have been Glitter Bombing scammers have been doing a decent job in at least shutting down their operations for a time. So far nothing permanant but it does bring a smile to my face seeing them freak out. So maybe something along those lines? Just a dedicated group who legit hack and find their operations base and sends them naughty gifts?

[Padudu]

Then I trust you relayed that information to the GMs with proof of their ne'er do welling to you and the community properly.

Hi I've seen and reported them too way back in the day and nothing has happened, so what am I supposed to do? Just keep reporting them every single time I see them just so SE can ignore yet another report? Seems like a waste of my time really!

[Jojoya]

Might stop if the leader of said FC was banned, or at the very least the player in said FC mushing them around with peloton

Would the said players lose anything meaningful if they lost their accounts, or are they just using disposable accounts to show off? If they're just disposable accounts, they may end up making new accounts to start over.

Some people have so much money they don't care if they waste it. Ultimately, account bans aren't going to stop that type of player unless they've managed to obtain something extremely rare on their account that they're unlikely to obtain again just by spending money.

Most players aren't in that position. They might have use RMT to purchase something the first time but take it away and they probably won't want to take the risk a second time.

I've seen enough gripes about the pricing to think otherwise. It's not the crafters' fault though. It's not quick and easy to do all that. I know from experience.

There are people out there and even on this forum that are still doing without because of pricing. Imagine how many more are just thinking about spending a little extra cash. They probably have a bunch of extra retainers as well because they don't know how to approach their inventory.



It's really not that simple and beyond their scope. (to whom it may concern: please slap yourself if you even thinking of saying "small indie company" in response to this.) A lot of people trade money whether they're passing it to alts or handing out prizes. The only clue might be in the name of the character, but even that can be a problem as many people get their accounts hijacked.

A lot of the price is in what other players are charging for the tomestone crafting material. Crafters don't control those prices - the players with tomestones do.

As an example, the marketboard prices on my server for the tomestone materials jumped from an average of 3k gil each to 12k gil each last week as players started using the tomestones to get their first stage relics instead of buying crafting materials to sell. The cost of those materials along with all the rest of the materials needed ends up passed on to the buyer. Weapons and chest pieces need 10 of the tomestone materials so that's already about 90k more it's going to cost the crafter to make the item.

That becomes another factor in the demand for RMT services - what players are charging for the items they want to sell. When players are setting prices too high, a lot of the buyers turn to RMT to be able to afford those items. RMT sells the gil to the buyer, infusing more gil into server economies via both bot farming and taking gil off compromised accounts that may have been sitting unused for a while. Because there's more gil, sellers feel safe increasing their own prices so they get richer. And the cycle begins again as more players decide they must turn to RMT.

The cycle exists because there is no penalty for buying from RMT. If there was a meaningful penalty, few players would turn to RMT and the amount of gil entering the game economy wouldn't increase as swiftly. Because players would have less gil, they wouldn't be willing to pay as much. Crafters would start lowering their prices sooner to make the sale because the players able to afford the original prices would already have what they want.

It's one reason why I have no problem undercutting by large amounts or even crashing markets on some items despite other sellers sometimes attacking me for doing so. I'm bringing prices back down into a reasonable range. It leaves players with more gil to spend to buy the other things they want from other sellers, reducing pressure to resort to RMT to get the things they want.

But still the core problem ultimately lies with those willing to buy from RMT for instant gratification instead of putting effort into earning the things they want, whether that is doing the content that rewards the item via their own efforts or earning the gil through legitimate game play to buy it.