The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

[Ath192]

This remaster or new release should appeal to adventure/open world/progression enjoyers and XIV should probably stick to its pop culture theme park instanced rides.

They should share a sub. I think everyone would be much happier. They could even share assets but the style of these MMO's would appeal to different crowds and be popular in their respective fields. I'm sure of it.

[SassyAssassin]

They should share a sub. I think everyone would be much happier. They could even share assets but the style of these MMO's would appeal to different crowds and be popular in their respective fields. I'm sure of it.

Wow you dream even more than I do :3.

Shared sub won’t ever happen, so I rather them focusing on this game instead of letting it become the sims 4 with friends.

[aveyond-dreams]

This remaster or new release should appeal to adventure/open world/progression enjoyers and XIV should probably stick to its pop culture theme park instanced rides.

They should share a sub. I think everyone would be much happier. They could even share assets but the style of these MMO's would appeal to different crowds and be popular in their respective fields. I'm sure of it.

I'm all for it. Especially given the state of FFXIV these days. FFXI is an actual mmorpg with classes that are more than just reskins of each other and whose world still feels like home.

[Ath192]

Wow you dream even more than I do :3.

Shared sub won’t ever happen, so I rather them focusing on this game instead of letting it become the sims 4 with friends.

You're kind of late there. But regardless of whether they will or its dreaming, the important thing is whether the idea is good or not. And to be frank, this MMO, and the MMO landscape is being shared by two very different groups of people now a days. One's that want something casual and a quick dopamine high and others who want complex in depth systems and progression that takes time and patience.

What's worse is 1.0 and the people who kept it alive were fans of FF mmo's at which point only XI existed, and 1.0 failed for a variety of reasons but to me the biggest one was the glaring technical problems and lack of content, not the style or premise of the game. So it's no wonder some of the people who this game used to have as a target audience have been growing increasingly discontent.

I know why I stopped playing 1.0. I couldn't play it without getting incredibly frustrated at all the bugs and insanely slow menus and stuttering. It just sucked. But if the game ran smoothly it would've been fine. It had nothing to do with the style they were going for. I was fine with that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This remaster or new release should appeal to adventure/open world/progression enjoyers and XIV should probably stick to its pop culture theme park instanced rides.

They should share a sub. I think everyone would be much happier. They could even share assets but the style of these MMO's would appeal to different crowds and be popular in their respective fields. I'm sure of it.

Xi is still there. I don't know why we need a new XI when the game is still up and running. I never got past the Dunes in XI because I couldn't keep a leveling party for more than a couple hours and no one in my LS wanted to go back to suffering in that place. It left a terrible impression of the game. After two weeks of struggling to get any kind of party together only for them to fall apart shortly after I just gave up and never looked back.

[Ath192]

Xi is still there. I don't know why we need a new XI when the game is still up and running. I never got past the Dunes in XI because I couldn't keep a leveling party for more than a couple hours and no one in my LS wanted to go back to suffering in that place. It left a terrible impression of the game. After two weeks of struggling to get any kind of party together only for them to fall apart shortly after I just gave up and never looked back.

Because it is a PS2 era game from 20 years ago and the graphics and menus are outdated. But the style of gameplay is very much in demand by some people. Is it unplayable? no, but why did they remake VII then? The could just play the orginal.... But it was a huge success wasn't it? So the same reason.

[Vyrerus]

I don't think I could trust them to remake/remaster XI faithfully. In order to update a lot of it, they'd have to rebuild the entire thing from the ground up, and the inevitably means that they will change something "small" which will ripple into changing other "small" things until at last the ripple spreads so far that it's different enough that it's not XI anymore.

Plus if they remaster it, will it still include Trusts and the like? It largely relies on Trusts these days, especially considering its old and grizzled playerbase are fairly insular for multiple reasons.

Even old players returning aren't welcomed into groups with open arms, patience, and understanding. There's a lot of, "Oh, we can play together after you catch up using Trusts." Or a lot of, "You should be able to handle that by yourself."

The old, old style of XI is something of a novelty, with people clamoring for it if they can get it for free (private servers), but not a lot of retail minded folks wanting it back.

Plus they'd have to deal with modern care about botting, a lot of old players bot the shit out of shit and use LUAs. It'd kind of be a nightmare.

[Ath192]

I don't think I could trust them to remake/remaster XI faithfully. In order to update a lot of it, they'd have to rebuild the entire thing from the ground up, and the inevitably means that they will change something "small" which will ripple into changing other "small" things until at last the ripple spreads so far that it's different enough that it's not XI anymore.

Plus if they remaster it, will it still include Trusts and the like? It largely relies on Trusts these days, especially considering its old and grizzled playerbase are fairly insular for multiple reasons.

Even old players returning aren't welcomed into groups with open arms, patience, and understanding. There's a lot of, "Oh, we can play together after you catch up using Trusts." Or a lot of, "You should be able to handle that by yourself."

The old, old style of XI is something of a novelty, with people clamoring for it if they can get it for free (private servers), but not a lot of retail minded folks wanting it back.

Plus they'd have to deal with modern care about botting, a lot of old players bot the shit out of shit and use LUAs. It'd kind of be a nightmare.

It's possible. But I'm mostly talking about a clean slate here. in other words, idk what would happen to XI in particular but like the VII remake this would be a new game. No character ports.

Here is what I think the great lie is:

The biggest lie is that the system and play style of old MMOs is something people don't want anymore. Imo there hasn't been a good game with the old style released in recent times to prove this though because anyone is too scared to release it. What I don't get is this: why are people scared to release something that has succeeded before?

People who enjoy fighting games aren't clamoring for a change to get rid of the complex combos and specials their characters do, likewise people who play strategy games had to ask Bill gates to re-release AOE 2 because they didn't want innovation in the style of gameplay, they wanted an update to the existing style. Seeing as AOE 2 was the pinnacle of RTS games what people wanted wasn't for the changes that followed after and killed the RTS genre.

So likewise, I believe the fans of old progression style MMOs are still out there.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I want a remaster, although still keep the relatively colorful cartoon aesthetic (rather than the half-anime, half-realism we have with FFXIV), have a shared sub and to bring FFXI into modern consoles.

[dspguy]

Sounds good on the surface, but let's be a little realistic about this.

FFXI pre 2010 was a different era game (for better or for worse). You couldn't really level solo. You had to compete for camps. Leveling was a real grind. Certain job abilities/spells completely changed how a job was played. Raiding required dozens of players. Drops were few and far between and had to be shared across the entire raid.

FFXI post 2010 (after Aybssea) removed the need for large parties in most cases. Drops changed to enemies dropping "tokens" sort of like what we have today. Raiding no longer required large groups (maybe 8-12). Level became easy (pages). It was common to see level 99 players with absolutely no idea how to play their job (not that different from today).

The problem with FFXI pre-2010 was that it just wouldn't fly in today's world. No one wants to spend 15-20 minutes just to get to an exp camp or a raid zone. No one wants to farm spawn items for enemies that MIGHT drop something that has to be rolled on across 24+ different players. The list goes on and on.

Back in 2010-ish when I played FFXIV 1.0, I was hoping for something more like FFXI 2.0. Graphic update, maybe some QoL changes, etc. But it wound up being a dumpster fire. FFXIV is a casual game and frankly, I think many of the players that honed their skills on early MMOs like EQ1 and FFXI aren't ready to go back to those kinds of grinds.