Why are Criterion dungeons so hard?

[chizLemons]

I'm sorry Criterion is not for you but there IS a high demand for it. For casual players, there's variant - it's easy, but very replayable and focused on lore.

I haven't tried Criterion yet to comment on it, but EX trials is meant to be the in-between content you're asking for, maybe give it a chance again. It's really not that hard compared to Savage. If you want it easier, maybe get to doing older EX content unsynced, there's still a lot that are worth farming. Or maybe wait for a few patches before getting to a more recent one, it gets easier as iLvl increases.

[DeliNote]

I think that part of the problems stems from the fact that it was kinda-ish advertised as normal/ex from the onset?
I could be wrong but that was the general idea that I also got, but I knew they wanted to go for something more difficult on the 4-man scope so I wasn't really caught unaware.
Those who had that idea however, they stepped into it and were bombarded with it's Ex+ difficulty-- this is NOT comparable to normal.

With that said, like chizLemons pointed out there's already the EX trials that cover that middle ground pretty well in my opinion, and that is something that people should DEFINITELY go experience and try out BEFORE stepping into Criterion dungeons.

Had they went with their normal formula of: Variant = mega casual/exploration (love the content itself), Criterion = Normal/middle ground, then you'd have a Criterion = Ex, then a Criterion = Savage, not only would it be, in my opinion, a MASSIVE amount of wasted resources, how would it be any different from what we already have?
Criterion was meant to fulfill a very long requested niche of 4-man HARD content that doesn't hold punches, it's not meant to have a "middle ground" you know? Even if I understand what you're saying.
They might add a middle ground eventually but I don't really see it happening.

If we talk about the rewards, however... well that's another story, I'll leave that probably to another thread.

Right now with this added content in terms of difficulty from easiest to hardest:

- Normal
- Variant
- Ex trials
- Criterion
- Savage and Criterion savage (no point in saying X or Y is harder since it's a different party size)
- Ultimate
- SE getting their crap together and actually provide a proper reward structure by restructuring the current existing one.

[Jojoya]

I think that part of the problems stems from the fact that it was kinda-ish advertised as normal/ex from the onset?

In the first 6.2 Live Letter, Criterion was described as EX in difficulty and Criterion Savage as Savage in difficulty. Like any new EX/Savage content, players needed to allow for a learning period instead of expecting to be able to faceroll the content as soon as they went in.

I think part of what is throwing players off is the increased personal responsibility in Criterion due to the smaller party size and the resurrection restrictions. It's usually a lot easier to recover in a party of 8 if one player goes down. It's harder when one goes down in a party of 4 and the party is taking heavy damage.

[Listrella]

I'm sorry Criterion is not for you but there IS a high demand for it. For casual players, there's variant - it's easy, but very replayable and focused on lore.

I haven't tried Criterion yet to comment on it, but EX trials is meant to be the in-between content you're asking for, maybe give it a chance again. It's really not that hard compared to Savage. If you want it easier, maybe get to doing older EX content unsynced, there's still a lot that are worth farming. Or maybe wait for a few patches before getting to a more recent one, it gets easier as iLvl increases.

I want more for our level than justt extreme trials (we're not getting one of those for months anyway), there are only thing that are at the right challenge level for me, everything else is too hard or too easy, I was hopign criterion dungeons would add that but but sadly I was mistaken. the extreme trials are just 1 fight. THe varaiant dungeon is cool but way too easy, barely above a normal dungeon. I do want a challenge, just not taken too far.