People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[FireMage]

So the bottom line is some times it is good to AOE, and sometimes it is not, even though you have 20+ enemies around you.

You could not be more wrong

Then I guess we have a different view of things, but in the end, I got enough confirmation that I'm a good DPS and tank to believe I'm doing a good job my way, but it doesn't mean I will stop learning. But I'm sorry to say this, but I think your wrong

What you think on the matter is irrelevant. I doubt you are doing as good as you believe you are

[dspguy]

I was in a group for Expert Roulette the other day with a "non-AOE" DPS. It cost us all of 3 minutes. Barely the time worth a 300+ thread on the forum. Honestly, I see more time lost from random AFKs and disconnects than I do from parties with a non-AOE DPS. While it is inconvenient, the cost isn't much if the other 3 players do their job.

[FireMage]

I was in a group for Expert Roulette the other day with a "non-AOE" DPS. It cost us all of 3 minutes. Barely the time worth a 300+ thread on the forum. Honestly, I see more time lost from random AFKs and disconnects than I do from parties with a non-AOE DPS. While it is inconvenient, the cost isn't much if the other 3 players do their job.

The cost is that you allowed a bad to believe their play was acceptable, passing them off on to the next group that has to deal with them

[Miracle_Diva]

I was in a group for Expert Roulette the other day with a "non-AOE" DPS. It cost us all of 3 minutes. Barely the time worth a 300+ thread on the forum. Honestly, I see more time lost from random AFKs and disconnects than I do from parties with a non-AOE DPS. While it is inconvenient, the cost isn't much if the other 3 players do their job.

3 minutes here, 3 minutes there, and now you've spent a whole hour more on things that could've been done 3 minutes faster each run if everyone were to use AOE.
Also, the slower things die, the more pressure it is on tank and healer.

[Saraide]

It's not about how much time is wasted, it's about why time is wasted. If someone says something like 'hang on i'm getting an important phone call' I dont really mind.

[Mikey_R]

Then I guess we have a different view of things, but in the end, I got enough confirmation that I'm a good DPS and tank to believe I'm doing a good job my way, but it doesn't mean I will stop learning. But I'm sorry to say this, but I think your wrong

I don't think you realise the contradiction in your statement here. On the one hand, you say you want to continue learning, but on the other, you dismiss a learning opportunity because 'I'm doing a good job in my way'. So, which is it?

It isn't even the case that AoE rotations are weak, they are actually really strong, so it seems even more confusing when people don't want to use them.

[Payadopa]

Then why don't you use PF? If you're going to be playing like garbage because it's "you right," then it's also the other players right to kick you for lethargic play.

That is not the reality. lol It's just this echo chamber here. DF is a grab bag of people you use to get fast access to content. People here can argue and throw their little temper tantrum about others being disrespectful and wasting minutes of their time, but there is no way SE will implement a driver's license or some such nonsense for normal content. Most things that are being discussed here are downright laughable, honestly. The actual XIV community, of which this forum is the tiniest subsection, does not think that way.

[xenahawk]

Please stick to Squadrons, Duty Support, and Trust.

This is aimed at people who like to do single target rotations when people wall to wall for them. You're legitimately a detriment to the party.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Is the forums the place for you to make demands of other players. If it bothers you so much have you tried asking the person in the party to use them? After all your making the choice to do wall to wall pulls it not mandatory. Personally as long as it looks like other players are trying thats all i care about in roulettes. Its more frustrating to see people think that the trusts are for any player that dont meet their standard of play. When you play with random people you shouldnt have any expectation other then the trying.

[Avidria]

Is the forums the place for you to make demands of other players. If it bothers you so much have you tried asking the person in the party to use them? After all your making the choice to do wall to wall pulls it not mandatory. Personally as long as it looks like other players are trying thats all i care about in roulettes. Its more frustrating to see people think that the trusts are for any player that dont meet their standard of play. When you play with random people you shouldnt have any expectation other then the trying.

Not to sound super jaded but 9 times out of 10 if somebody isn't using any aoe in a 70+ dungeon, they absolutely are not trying

Like and I genuinely don't understand why not like half the time aoe rotations literally require less effort than a single target rotation and imo are way more fun anyway, like, you get to flail around and hit 50 things at once?? Different ideas of fun and all but man I just don't get it

[Deceptus]

I was in a group for Expert Roulette the other day with a "non-AOE" DPS. It cost us all of 3 minutes. Barely the time worth a 300+ thread on the forum. Honestly, I see more time lost from random AFKs and disconnects than I do from parties with a non-AOE DPS. While it is inconvenient, the cost isn't much if the other 3 players do their job.

Probably because your healer was making up for whoever was lacking.

Combo of pure healer + 2 non aoe dps? That's going to be a 35m+ run. Running a Trust would be faster.