People who can't do AOE rotations in 70+ Content

[EnigmaticDodo]

This seems like Stockholm syndrome, but it’s also quintessentially FFXIV in the current year. Yoshida pretends that we’re not allowed to do this, but as we can all see in this thread, many people deeply love and appreciate online toxicity. His vision doesn’t matter, yours does. And that’s fine! You can chase everyone else out. Let’s make this into WoW or EQ or the rest.

A problem, though: I (and others) subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV because of Yoshida’s vision. We bought into a lie, because that vision is dead if no one cares about it. FFXIV is not a “friendly community”, it’s not “less toxic than WoW”, and the people do not “welcome new players with open arms”. And only difference between FFXIV and lesser MMOs is that we have a sock puppet (Yoshida) that pretends that things are okay when they really aren’t. It’s good for revenue, but it’s also a complete lie. More scrupulous consumers should avoid giving money to hucksters and liars, but you all clearly enjoy it, so the circus of lies and deceit will continue much to your amusement.

Asking people to do a freaking AoE on repeat prompts this response? jesus christ. Sorry I even said anything, bob.

This type of energy is why I don't bother even trying to correct people most of the time and hit myself with that self flagellation 30 min penalty, dhc into character switch.

[SassyAssassin]

This seems like Stockholm syndrome, but it’s also quintessentially FFXIV in the current year. Yoshida pretends that we’re not allowed to do this, but as we can all see in this thread, many people deeply love and appreciate online toxicity. His vision doesn’t matter, yours does. And that’s fine! You can chase everyone else out. Let’s make this into WoW or EQ or the rest.

A problem, though: I (and others) subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV because of Yoshida’s vision. We bought into a lie, because that vision is dead if no one cares about it. FFXIV is not a “friendly community”, it’s not “less toxic than WoW”, and the people do not “welcome new players with open arms”. And only difference between FFXIV and lesser MMOs is that we have a sock puppet (Yoshida) that pretends that things are okay when they really aren’t. It’s good for revenue, but it’s also a complete lie. More scrupulous consumers should avoid giving money to hucksters and liars, but you all clearly enjoy it, so the circus of lies and deceit will continue much to your amusement.

It is a friendly community. You just have to read your skills thats basically all, they tell you exactly which combinations to do, what to press after each key and in which situation.

Not wanting to read up, not caring in the slightest clearly, yet going in GROUP contents to waste people’s times is what’s unfriendly to me.

[Floortank]

I believe Square-Enix should put in a solo AOE practice mode and then incentivize using it. Battle Square at the Gold Saucer or something similar. Square-Enix doesn't want its players correcting the bad habits of other players in game, so Square-Enix should put some development budget into teaching players to hit their buttons in the right order.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I believe Square-Enix should put in a solo AOE practice mode and then incentivize using it. Battle Square at the Gold Saucer or something similar. Square-Enix doesn't want its players correcting the bad habits of other players in game, so Square-Enix should put some development budget into teaching players to hit their buttons in the right order.

You literally just press 2 or 3 buttons in sequence for an AoE combo. There's no need to go overboard with trying to teach players something that's so simple and inherently common knowledge. From my experience, running into players that don't do the bare minimum in late game content is extremely rare and not enough to warrant attention to pour in resources to combat it. It is what it is, either you call them out on it or you don't.

They've also already implemented a compact view of your skills where you can easily see what skills chain to which one in your actions and traits menu.

[LianaThorne]

It is a friendly community. You just have to read your skills thats basically all, they tell you exactly which combinations to do, what to press after each key and in which situation.

Not wanting to read up, not caring in the slightest clearly, yet going in GROUP contents to waste people’s times is what’s unfriendly to me.

Tbf there is a certain community or two in the game that still acts like they're in high school most of the time but otherwise it's a chill place yes.

[caffe_macchiato]

Asking people to do a freaking AoE on repeat prompts this response?

You did not ask players to please use their AOE rotation. You told them to stop playing the game. That is the difference.

People here know how to use their AOE rotations. The people who need help aren't reading this. This is virtual jousting aimed at fostering a braggadocios gameplay environment. We do not need to lambast new or less-experienced players for our own pleasure. They have enough difficulty with the game as it is. Putting an ambiguous, unsizable conglomerate of players down behind their backs is a low-effort, passive-aggressive self-esteem booster and has no constructive purpose.

[FireMage]

You did not ask players to please use their AOE rotation. You told them to stop playing the game. That is the difference.

People here know how to use their AOE rotations. The people who need help aren't reading this. This is virtual jousting aimed at fostering a braggadocios gameplay environment. We do not need to lambast new or less-experienced players for our own pleasure. They have enough difficulty with the game as it is. Putting an ambiguous, unsizable conglomerate of players down behind their backs is a low-effort, passive-aggressive self-esteem booster and has no constructive purpose.

Apologism for bads is never a good look

[Tiramu]

While XIV's community doesnt poop unicorns and rainbows, it isnt toxic like certain other games either.

I'm going off-topic here, but this thread makes me think of the time when i tried to learn how to play healer. I struggled really bad in dungeons to the point where it just wasn't fun, and i noticed that some tanks didn't use their mitigation at all, so i asked them to do so.

Most responses i got boiled down to this: "this isn't WoW", "you don't pay me sub", "it doesn't matter"
I stopped asking people to use abilities and developed an "only 1 gcd heal per pull" policy because it felt like that people were leeching off me/ expecting me to carry, which reduced my fun a lot.

You would think that playing this way would make me struggle even more, but instead people were using their self-heal and mitigation more frequently without saying anything, which made my experience as a whole way more relaxed and fun. It also made me learn how to be a better healer all around, since i relied more on my ogcd kit.

What's interesting however is that to this day i still get tanks that insist on pulling everything and not use mitigation at all. I often can heal them through, and it's fine, but there were times when i wasn't able to do so and they became extremely passive-aggressive, essentially blaming me for the death.
And every time this happened it left me dumbfounded because i do not understand why someone would play a game that is essentially about cooperation and then NOT be cooperative.

It's the same with this thread, doing aoe instead of single target is a matter of pressing a different button, if you can press one you can press the other. Why would you NOT want to do more dmg? Doing more dmg would help healers and tanks in dungeons tremendously. Why would you be against that?

Dont forget, healing is too easy... if you're in a static or semi-static at end game with people who know what they're doing, and know most of the games content inside and out. Ive never really had a problem giving advice though. Only a few times have I had someone throw a tantrum and they were pretty horrific players. Most people give and recieve advice well. Oftentimes I think it can be how we put our advice across though. Text isnt always the best for tone.

[Tiramu]

Apologism for bads is never a good look

Slagging off people who are still learning isnt a great look either. Due to how job levelling and the speed you can level jobs works, its more than possible to be lv70 in a job and not fully understand how it works. Switching from SMN to SCH was an experience, despite maining WHM. Switching to a shield healer took some practice to get down, often in lv60 content.

[Boblawblah]

I'm going off-topic here, but this thread makes me think of the time when i tried to learn how to play healer. I struggled really bad in dungeons to the point where it just wasn't fun, and i noticed that some tanks didn't use their mitigation at all, so i asked them to do so.

Most responses i got boiled down to this: "this isn't WoW", "you don't pay me sub", "it doesn't matter"
I stopped asking people to use abilities and developed an "only 1 gcd heal per pull" policy because it felt like that people were leeching off me/ expecting me to carry, which reduced my fun a lot.

You would think that playing this way would make me struggle even more, but instead people were using their self-heal and mitigation more frequently without saying anything, which made my experience as a whole way more relaxed and fun. It also made me learn how to be a better healer all around, since i relied more on my ogcd kit.

What's interesting however is that to this day i still get tanks that insist on pulling everything and not use mitigation at all. I often can heal them through, and it's fine, but there were times when i wasn't able to do so and they became extremely passive-aggressive, essentially blaming me for the death.
And every time this happened it left me dumbfounded because i do not understand why someone would play a game that is essentially about cooperation and then NOT be cooperative.

It's the same with this thread, doing aoe instead of single target is a matter of pressing a different button, if you can press one you can press the other. Why would you NOT want to do more dmg? Doing more dmg would help healers and tanks in dungeons tremendously. Why would you be against that?

I'm so confused. One of the easiest mmorpgs in terms of dungeons, and you refuse to use more than a single GCD heal per pack, because you're struggling to keep tanks up and that makes you mad? But you're pretending that "Oh no, it's not me, it's the tanks that suck".

You're never going to see these people ever again after 15 minutes, why make yourself angry over nothing? Heal, move on. With how uncommon REALLY bad players are, it's just not worth getting so upset about. It sounds like you're expecting bad behavior, and anything will reinforce that in your mind to the point that you start acting as poorly as the bad players you're imagining do.