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    You are saying, it's okay to change the rules, and then punish people NOW for things they did before?

    So, I just pick something you did yesterday, and ban you today for it, even though it wasn't against the rules then?

    Or is it only okay to do that with housing and limited resources?

    ... like server space?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    You are saying, it's okay to change the rules, and then punish people NOW for things they did before?

    So, I just pick something you did yesterday, and ban you today for it, even though it wasn't against the rules then?

    Or is it only okay to do that with housing and limited resources?

    ... like server space?
    "You may only purchase and maintain one private plot and one free company plot per World per service account."

    It would only enforce what is already in place but square enix has a fetish for the honor system and it never works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    "You may only purchase and maintain one private plot and one free company plot per World per service account."

    It would only enforce what is already in place but square enix has a fetish for the honor system and it never works.
    I notice you didn't answer my questions, just said your same point again.


    That's the new rules, yes.

    And if tomorrow the rules forbid the first 5 things you do every day after logging on, even if you NEVER DID THOSE THINGS AGAIN, because you did them in the past, do you want to be punished for them?

    I've got nothing against new rules.
    I've got nothing against new rules being enforced going forward from the creation date.
    You do NOT enforce a rule retroactively. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    I notice you didn't answer my questions, just said your same point again.


    That's the new rules, yes.

    And if tomorrow the rules forbid the first 5 things you do every day after logging on, even if you NEVER DID THOSE THINGS AGAIN, because you did them in the past, do you want to be punished for them?

    I've got nothing against new rules.
    I've got nothing against new rules being enforced going forward from the creation date.
    You do NOT enforce a rule retroactively. Period.
    They are not being punished if they are being reimbursed and let's be honest, none of them are going to quit over it anyway.

    Even if they did quit, it's still a net benefit overall for the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    They are not being punished if they are being reimbursed and let's be honest, none of them are going to quit over it anyway.

    Even if they did quit, it's still a net benefit overall for the game.
    You joined the game late, just get an apartment and wait for next ward release.
    Everything you said only makes sense to you but not others even if you are already an owner.
    You may claim on a forum that you are willing to give up but for one you don’t represent other house owners
    Even if SE compensated me with 500 million gils it would still be a punishment on someone who didn't break ToS.
    Gils may mean something to you but as in game currency it has no value to old players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    You joined the game late, just get an apartment and wait for next ward release.
    Everything you said only makes sense to you but not others even if you are already an owner.
    You may claim on a forum that you are willing to give up but for one you don’t represent other house owners
    Even if SE compensated me with 500 million gils it would still be a punishment on someone who didn't break ToS.
    Gils may mean something to you but as in game currency it has no value to old players.
    I could buy any house I want if it interested me (or multiple, lol), it doesn't change the fact enforcing the rules would be better for the game as a whole. The negative impact (and I don't consider a reimbursement a negative) on you and the handful of others is insignificant.
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    Last edited by Troxbark; 10-13-2022 at 01:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    ...on you and the handful of others...
    A handful... hmm. So, what are we talking about? Retrospectively changing the rules to punish 6 people in the entire game?

    Be serious about this question: Do you realistically think SE will expend any effort to do this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    I could buy any house I want if it interested me (or multiple, lol), it doesn't change the fact enforcing the rules would be better for the game as a whole. The negative impact (and I don't consider a reimbursement a negative) on you and the handful of others is insignificant.
    See this is the problem your only picking part of the rule that was put into effect..also part of that rule was anyone who did not break the TOS gets to keep there houses as we dont punish those who dont break the rules.

    You honestly have no idea what the game was like back then.. I owned 7 houses and a large fc (which i gave away when i quit for awile) The nigh the rule went into effect 1 house per person per server.. Coeurl had 100+ empty houses on every server.. I counted 5 mins before maintance..

    The problem is basic you cant grow by millions of people and add 1,440 houses (ew houseing)...

    Bascily till housing > players theres always gonan bea problem

    Se also should make ex large mansions for FC only serprate from player housing.. Make it Grand Company based since your Fc is linked to them have a door with every fc name to port to if they allow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    They are not being punished if they are being reimbursed and let's be honest, none of them are going to quit over it anyway.

    Even if they did quit, it's still a net benefit overall for the game.
    Addressing your points in reverse order.... your goal is to get people to quit? Just people who might be in competition for houses with you, or anybody who might be after any limited resource you want?

    And then your first point.... You think the value of a house is the gil?

    *laughs*

    wait, your serious?

    *LAUGHS MORE*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    Addressing your points in reverse order.... your goal is to get people to quit? Just people who might be in competition for houses with you, or anybody who might be after any limited resource you want?

    And then your first point.... You think the value of a house is the gil?

    *laughs*

    wait, your serious?

    *LAUGHS MORE*
    The value is gil, you paid for it with gil and you would be refunded, at the end of the day you would still be able to own 2 homes (FC and personal). However 2 homes don't seem to be enough for people and beyond ego and gil sink, you can't give a legitimate reason why you need more than 2.

    And lets be honest, you wouldn't quit. Although in your case it seems that too would be a net positive for the community if you did, lmao.
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    Last edited by Troxbark; 10-15-2022 at 07:08 AM.

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