That Which He Does Not Play

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

People: There's a group of people, not everyone here but only a certain group, who are genuine white knights for this game who try and shout down critics of the game, and I don't like them and/or their actions.
Zanarkand: *lumps themselves in with the white knights and injects themselves in* Why are you calling everyone who simply disagrees with you a white knight!!!
People: No, I just meant those guys over ther-
Zanarkand: Why is everyone who disagrees with you a white knight!!!

You do this every time.

I dont Lump myself in, I GET lumped in. I got accused of allowing somebody to get called a Stalker and having double standards.....on a thread I wasn't even apart of.
And...your post looks like your specifically talking about yourself, when there are other people who called me a White knight for disagreeing or having another opinion.
Thats why I keep saying it, because it keeps happening.

[AwesomeJr44]

I dont Lump myself in, I GET lumped in. I got accused of allowing somebody to get called a Stalker and having double standards.....on a thread I wasn't even apart of.
And...your post looks like your specifically talking about yourself, when there are other people who called me a White knight for disagreeing or having another opinion.
Thats why I keep saying it, because it keeps happening.

Zanarkand. Genuine question. Do you WANT to be a victim of something? I ask because it really seems like you're desperate to be the victim of some supposed labeling or whatever. I can't speak for experiences you've had with other posters where I wasn't present, but from what I've seen of you, you nearly always throw yourself into the midst of everything, assume that everyone is talking about you when they clearly aren't, and then claim that you're being lumped into a group you don't belong in. Maybe you actually have been falsely accused of something in another thread, but at this point it's the Zanarkand that cried wolf situation. I just can't believe you because you've lumped yourself into things so many times.

Could you tell me what they promise and didn't implement? Might i could more agree with you if i got some more info but this is just not cool bro

Additional unique Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles, additional egi-glamours, and an epic conclusion to the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga. Not to mention that we were told we were never getting private housing and we did. (Not that I have a problem with that particular one)

EDIT: Actually, weren't we promised that we wouldn't need to keep a sub up to keep our houses? Sure, the housing demo is off right now because of the Ukraine, but what happened to not needed a sub?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Zanarkand. Genuine question. Do you WANT to be a victim of something? I ask because it really seems like you're desperate to be the victim of some supposed labeling or whatever. I can't speak for experiences you've had with other posters where I wasn't present, but from what I've seen of you, you nearly always throw yourself into the midst of everything, assume that everyone is talking about you when they clearly aren't, and then claim that you're being lumped into a group you don't belong in. Maybe you actually have been falsely accused of something in another thread, but at this point it's the Zanarkand that cried wolf situation. I just can't believe you because you've lumped yourself into things so many times.

I really dont rofl. But if Im disagreeing with aveyond, or whoever who posts something, then somebody makes a vague jab or comment at people disagreeing with Aveyond, its not farfetched to think Im apart of that. Or the mentioned accusation in another thread about having double standards.
But also I need to ask...what am I the Victim of in this instance?

Because Im just talking about threads become "us vs them" And how there are alot of instances where people just get labeled for disagreeing.
This isn't limited to me...so Im really not sure what you are talking about with me being/trying to be a Victim

[AwesomeJr44]

I really dont rofl. But if Im disagreeing with aveyond, or whoever who posts something, then somebody makes a vague jab or comment at people disagreeing with Aveyond, its not farfetched to think Im apart of that. Or the mentioned accusation in another thread about having double standards.

Happened in the other thread too, where I said that certain people were using a double standard. You inserted yourself in, I told you clearly that I wasn't talking about you (multiple times might I add), and you still insisted that you were being lumped into a us vs. them situation. So sorry, I don't believe that elsewhere you are genuinely getting lumped into groups you don't belong in/labeled by other posters. I can't believe you because you do it to yourself so much.

ff is really subjective for you the Story was undwhelimg, for me it was a Triple A Cinematic

And yet it reeks of a low budget. We didn't even get to see the fight between Zodiark and Hydaelyn, nor the sundering itself. Which you know, is kinda important in the finale of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc. All we got was people standing in circles talking to each other.

FFXIV is becoming the Golden-child of MMO, which is bad news for the playerbase.

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We've already arrived there.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Happened in the other thread too, where I said that certain people were using a double standard. You inserted yourself in, I told you clearly that I wasn't talking about you (multiple times might I add), and you still insisted that you were being lumped into a us vs. them situation. So sorry, I don't believe that elsewhere you are genuinely getting lumped into groups you don't belong in/labeled by other posters. I can't believe you because you do it to yourself so much.

That picture doesnt really make sense....again, you make it sound like you're the only one, when there are multiple people.
I didnt lump myself in with the crowd and then get mad at you.

Also....know what...Can you provide a quote of the interaction? Because now Im getting the idea that maybe things are being misunderstood.
Maybe one or both of us arnt being as clear as possible, or intentions are just not understood.

[Midareyukki]

That picture doesnt really make sense....again, you make it sound like you're the only one, when there are multiple people.
I didnt lump myself in with the crowd and then get mad at you.

I mean... the image is also a gross generalization. I did call the thread bait, for example, but only because the way the argument was presented felt "weak". And I did mention it before, it felt weak because it sounded like he was going for "The dev didn't play the content, see, see, see???". I didn't agree. Not at the start: I'm all up for discussing how the devs treat the game and whether it's been fair or with effort, but I've made the mistake before of nitpicking the devs for one mistake that could be explained away with some thought. Especially since a lot of people are that quick to jump into the devs' defence, often excusing bad habits while they're at it.

But then I understood what he was going for, in which case, yeah, I agreed. And I'll even add that the quote is inconsistent. Yoshida says 3 things:
1 - "There are a lot [of favorite parts about Island Sanctuary]"
2 - "I like being able to play without needing to hurry and having the freedom to play by myself"
3 - "I have yet to step foot in the island sanctuary on my personal account."
Which I took it in two ways.
1 - How can he say that he has a lot of favourites and loves playing without needing to hurry when he hasn't played through it?
2 - Not on his personal account, but he has played through it on the testing servers. Which isn't the same, since you can godmode and rush the process, bypassing the tedious aspects entirely.
And I am trying to come up with the benefit of the doubt to satisfy the aforementioned "I don't want to nitpick on the devs without giving it some thought", but everything I can come up with just doesn't get past #2. His wording is specifically that "he hasn't set foot in it on his personal account". Even if he's played through it, it's not the same as it being on your personal account, which is a reflection of your own interests and effort.

And given how what Yoshida doesn't play just so happens to be the parts that are in need of attention... I'm not saying it's true, but it is sus. And the man hasn't done much to convince me of otherwise. A post defending buffing PvP BLM, even if they were justified, just sounded weird.

Even when I disagreed with Aveyond, I really didn't care if he was right or not. Sometimes I read his stuff and I agree, sometimes I disagree. Sometimes he says things I'm like "Yes, 100%" but sometimes he says something that I'm like "Well, there isn't really proof of that, is there?". And yeah, he's infamous for making posts about disliking things, but I've seen him post about stuff he does like and respect about the game, rare as they may be. So even if he's known for being a contrarian, I can still look at what he says and think for myself whether I agree or not, even if I'm mistaken.

Highly doubt you'd be lambasted by the "supporters" of this thread and more so the masterclass healers that are annoyed at healer gameplay in the Healer Role subforum that almost never come to General Discussion. You make a thread about liking the current state of healing in General Discussion and you will hardly see much of anyone in this thread here posting in it.

:P I don't main a healer, even if I like Astrologian. It's not what I play at higher levels, and as I mentioned, I'm not a smart person. I don't know how healer optimization looks like. My input would just be weak in comparison. I can give my support for healers, but I'd hardly know what to say if anyone asks how the gameplay should be. Because I might have trash ideas that just aren't viable for high-end play.

[SetsunaSakura]

Additional unique Viera/Hrothgar hairstyles, additional egi-glamours, and an epic conclusion to the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga. Not to mention that we were told we were never getting private housing and we did. (Not that I have a problem with that particular one)

For the hairstyles it really sucks for those race players i totally agree, yesterday i created a hrothgar and well it's plenty nothing, but maybe we get with the graphic updates more styles but we can't really know that. Maybe they're in trouble for fem Hrothgars and wait for those updates now to get that fixed aswell, but just my speculation.

Additional egi glamours... hmmm now Summoner got a whole rework and that's why they didn't implement more, but didn't see or can't remember he told us that we get addional egi glams, cause of the whole rework.

Guess for the Arc ending, for me it was really epic, but you could tell me what wasn't epic, early Mr. Z.?

And well we got private housing like you mentioned.

Some stuff is really subjective for you the Story was underwhelming, for me it was a Triple A Cinematic

And yet it reeks of a low budget. We didn't even get to see the fight between Zodiark and Hydaelyn, nor the sundering itself. Which you know, is kinda important in the finale of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc. All we got was people standing in circles talking to each other.

He got "revived" in an early state and wasn't a danger for us, but i see what you mean and yeah would be really epic to see them fight, but don't think how the story lead us isn't that bad, but just only my Opinion, and i guess we run in circles if we discuss that now

[Midareyukki]

For the hairstyles it really sucks for those race players i totally agree, yesterday i created a hrothgar and well it's plenty nothing, but maybe we get with the graphic updates more styles but we can't really know that. Maybe they're in trouble for fem Hrothgars and wait for those updates now to get that fixed aswell, but just my speculation.

That'd be fine but keep in mind you're gonna wait a while. The update is coming in batches, and Hrothgar aren't included in the first one. It seems it's going to be only for the ARR races.

And I wouldn't put so much hope for Femgars to come with updates for us either. Male Viera didn't come with fixes for Female Viera, and those had a lot more vocal fan support.

He got "revived" in an early state and wasn't a danger for us, but i see what you mean and yeah would be really epic to see them fight, but don't think how the story lead us isn't that bad, but just only my Opinion, and i guess we run in circles if we discuss that now

In fairness, that one I blame them for being too secretive about Meteion. They overhyped the logo and the Amano artwork of Hydaelyn and Zodiark. Meaning expectations were too high for those two to be relegated to done-and-done deals and pave the way for the Endsinger.

At this point people like to complain. I find it immature. If I don't like something I just don't do the thing. If I dislike a lot of things then I just play something else.

What if you like something, but understand it can be improved upon and provide feedback on it?

[TheMightyMollusk]

In fairness, that one I blame them for being too secretive about Meteion. They overhyped the logo and the Amano artwork of Hydaelyn and Zodiark. Meaning expectations were too high for those two to be relegated to done-and-done deals and pave the way for the Endsinger.

I wonder if they already had the art done before they decided to condense the originally-planned Garlean expansion together with another to make Endwalker, then didn't have time and/or budget to commission new art (or were trying not to spoil the "twist" of Meteion) and they just had to roll with it as best they could. Would fit with my general impression of Endwalker being kinda rushed.

[SetsunaSakura]

That'd be fine but keep in mind you're gonna wait a while. The update is coming in batches, and Hrothgar aren't included in the first one. It seems it's going to be only for the ARR races.

And I wouldn't put so much hope for Femgars to come with updates for us either. Male Viera didn't come with fixes for Female Viera, and those had a lot more vocal fan support.

Sorry got raid and read it now, yeah just like i said some speculation from me and hope ppl will get their unique stuff, i played miqo'te since ARR and will stay with this race, cause it would feel really weird in MSQ to see another race, alts excluded.
If i had started with heavensward maybe Au'ra would be my first pick, must also say don't like Viera and Hrothgar, idk if it's the limits they got or smth else, can't really explain or say what it is