Turn on Demolish for Housing and fix housing please.

[LianaThorne]

It doesn't have to be a "many" to be a gain for the current situation. Not a solution, but would still get more houses in the hands of players who want a house for the sake of having the house instead of just gaining access to the features that require a house.

The same would go for gardening. Giving players an instanced area to garden the same items currently grown on house plots would take away the part of demand driven solely by a desire for gardening access.


I don't think I've seen those types of communities form on a large scale in any MMO that didn't also include some form of world PvP so players were effectively forced to join large groups for protection against enemy players. Those communities typically revolved around that world PvP and not other content.

Of course, I haven't played every MMO there's ever been so there could have been some without world PvP that did have solid community building. Does anyone have any examples of where it did happen and work out well?

But it's really hard to create a large community that interacts without it collapsing into some sort of drama. That's why players tend to form small to medium social groups (though they'll usually belong to more than one group). It's easier to have everyone like-minded in a small group than a large group.

I think a lot of players forget that MMO doesn't mean you have be playing with hundreds of others at the same time in the same activity. It simply means there will be large numbers of players online at the same time that you might encounter and interact with. Trying to force socialization in large groups will end up backfiring. If it actually worked well, it would have long since become a standard of content design.

Giving up FC houses: I don't think it's fair to ask for people to give up their FC house if the devs are the ones screwing up on providing enough housing for people. I'd be in support of any system that doesn't involve that but I'm not going to punish others for the devs being stubborn.

Gardening: Gardening really isn't the golden goose it used to be and I see more people complaining about the selling price of things vs grow time than wishing gardening was more accessible. Switch gardening to submarines because that's where the actual gil is and where the higher demand is (a workshop access in general).

Large communities: My previous FC had about 450ish members and was going 6 years without drama. It exists, just gotta look for it and not automatically place assumptions based on previous negative experiences on others.

[LianaThorne]

Speaking as someone who owned houses in the past and simply let them go way prior to this, it's crazy (and a little sad) how much drama people make over what is a useless feature that can be pretty limiting and feel unfinished sometimes. Would be wild if people put this same energy into actually demanding the battle content be made less shallow.

But that would require people to actually put effort into content and not whine about things being too hard.

If anyone reading this is offended, ask yourself why.

[NekoHina]

As have as much sympathy as anyone for those in bad circumstances due to conflict or disaster. But those things will be going on somewhere in the world 24/7/365, so either have the demo timer or not. It is unfair to people who maintain their subscriptions (like everyone in my family since day one without a break) to let people ride free and keep their houses. I do not necessarily mean those who are in a bad way, but instead those who take advantage of the situation.

And as far as those who are in conflict or disaster areas, I think they will be much more concerned with having a real roof over their heads rather than a virtual house in a game. Besides if they keep the demo timer up to date, any who are able to return to the game will have a better chance at getting a new house if they lost one a long time back. They could always add for wards if major conflicts ended to increase chances.

I understand that they want to be fair to those in dire straits, but SE should also be fair to everyone. Of course to be truly fair, the housing system would be overhauled and anyone who wanted a house could get ONE (instanced or whatever solution). They could also be fair and make those who have multiple personal houses choose the one they wanted to keep and the rest go back into the pool for others. I do not care if they had them before the specific rule.

I have had a house for a long time and have kept my sub in order to keep my house even when I was not able to play due to health reasons. If that is how they set up the system, then they should consistently enforce it.

Just my 2 cents, probably worth even less.

[LianaThorne]

As have as much sympathy as anyone for those in bad circumstances due to conflict or disaster. But those things will be going on somewhere in the world 24/7/365, so either have the demo timer or not. It is unfair to people who maintain their subscriptions (like everyone in my family since day one without a break) to let people ride free and keep their houses. I do not necessarily mean those who are in a bad way, but instead those who take advantage of the situation.

And as far as those who are in conflict or disaster areas, I think they will be much more concerned with having a real roof over their heads rather than a virtual house in a game. Besides if they keep the demo timer up to date, any who are able to return to the game will have a better chance at getting a new house if they lost one a long time back. They could always add for wards if major conflicts ended to increase chances.

I understand that they want to be fair to those in dire straits, but SE should also be fair to everyone. Of course to be truly fair, the housing system would be overhauled and anyone who wanted a house could get ONE (instanced or whatever solution). They could also be fair and make those who have multiple personal houses choose the one they wanted to keep and the rest go back into the pool for others. I do not care if they had them before the specific rule.

I have had a house for a long time and have kept my sub in order to keep my house even when I was not able to play due to health reasons. If that is how they set up the system, then they should consistently enforce it.

Just my 2 cents, probably worth even less.

Agree to all except the bit regarding grandfathered houses. Pretty sure they made it clear already that people won't be asked to give up those plots, so my opinion is the same as what I stated above: I'm in favor of any solution that does not involve houses being removed from people. There's no reason to. Square just needs to suck it up, invest the money needed and provide instanced housing for those who want it. Neighborhoods were fine when the game was smaller, and houses sat abandoned for extended periods of time, it's not working anymore and its time they realize that. If people want to live in wards they should be able to and if they want to only have their own private space, they should be able to.

[Stormpeaks]

Agree to all except the bit regarding grandfathered houses. Pretty sure they made it clear already that people won't be asked to give up those plots, so my opinion is the same as what I stated above: I'm in favor of any solution that does not involve houses being removed from people. There's no reason to, Square just needs to suck it up, invest the money needed and provide instanced housing for those who want it. Neighborhoods were fine when the game was smaller, it's not working anymore. If people want to live in wards they should be able to and if they want to only have their own private space, they should be able to.

This sounds like a good solution, provide both instanced housing and also more wards for those who prefer the ward system and to have actual neighbors.

Everyone wins.

But we both know this wont happen because it would require effort from the devs and that's too much to ask for.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Ideally this is how I want it to be. Hopefully later down the road we get some form of instanced housing.

[Oizen]

Agree to all except the bit regarding grandfathered houses. Pretty sure they made it clear already that people won't be asked to give up those plots, so my opinion is the same as what I stated above: I'm in favor of any solution that does not involve houses being removed from people. There's no reason to. Square just needs to suck it up, invest the money needed and provide instanced housing for those who want it. Neighborhoods were fine when the game was smaller, and houses sat abandoned for extended periods of time, it's not working anymore and its time they realize that. If people want to live in wards they should be able to and if they want to only have their own private space, they should be able to.

The Multi-Billion Dollar Corporation isn't just going to invest money for no reason into this, FFXIV is already profitable so there isn't a problem in SE's eyes. Such is the way of Budgetwalker

[Dzian]

I don't think I've seen those types of communities form on a large scale in any MMO that didn't also include some form of world PvP so players were effectively forced to join large groups for protection against enemy players. Those communities typically revolved around that world PvP and not other content.

Many MMO used to be like it. FFXI (at least in the 75 era) endgame was very group centric. WoW in past expansions with endgame / raiding guilds where everyone worked together as a group. EQ in days of old. And there's definitely been a lot more. All groups built around PVE and endgame activities that created bonds between players and groups.

These days everything is so self centred and instant gratification that most connections end up being superficial. One of the reasons many people don't raid on the NA side is because statics are too much hard work. Endlessly having to replace people and start over because that 1 guy got his clear and left everyone else behind.

In this game I've often said there's a deliberate attempt to prevent players from building groups and making strong connections. You can see it in all the little things the game does. Can't send /t or talk to people when younor they are in a duty. Group size for content is so restrictive 4 8 or gtfo. So when 6 of you want to do something together your screwed.

Even the msq. You cannot progress this quest because you are in a party. Even when everyone in that party is on the exact same point of the exact same quest. It's an MMO let people ay with friends rather than force them to play alone..

One of the reasons I don't play many MMOs of late is because they're all basically just trash single player games.

Even this one. Yoshi wants to pull in players of the single ayer final fantasys bit everything players loved about single ayer final fantasy doesn't exist here. Interesting jobs. Interesting combat. Debuffs enfeeblements. Elemental wheels. Diverse mob types making them interesting to fight.. yada yada.

[LianaThorne]

The Multi-Billion Dollar Corporation isn't just going to invest money for no reason into this, FFXIV is already profitable so there isn't a problem in SE's eyes. Such is the way of Budgetwalker

Thats not an excuse in my eyes to just ignore the issues of the people paying to play your game. Lol. Especially with how low-quality Endwalker has been so far. All this game needs is a huge issue on the scale of WoW to occur and people will leave, if they haven't left already to wait out 7.0 in the hopes of change.

[Raoabolic]

Thats not an excuse in my eyes to just ignore the issues of the people paying to play your game. Lol. Especially with how low-quality Endwalker has been so far. All this game needs is a huge issue on the scale of WoW to occur and people will leave, if they haven't left already to wait out 7.0 in the hopes of change.

Tbh, SE doesn't even need the excuses. They just need the subs and mogstation income to keep rolling in, lol.