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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Could you please link the live letter where he said that, as well as where the WoW devs said that? I'd like to know the context of the statements given. It's quite possible that one was talking with near sole regard to the JP playerbase, particularly the Koike Incident which is a very solid thing to consider regarding adding anything kind of feature to a game. Something that must be considered though is that something like that could have happened parser or no parser. The DPS harassment was just one of many things they did, and even without an official parser, she still would have been harassed. None of that has anything to do with not wanting to party with people based on performance in party finder or vote kicking in duty finder.

    Even then, I'd still say your own experiences are anecdotal. I don't doubt people are dumb and votekick for dumb reasons, but I would argue most situations where a votekick happens, a votekick would have happened anyway.
    https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU?t=260

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    People kicking players for dumb reasons will continue doing so with or without parsing - this is a losing battle you can't address by simply not adding things. Just like in kindergarden, people will find the dumbest ways to exclude each other. That's a psychological and community-level social problem and won't fix any time soon.

    That said, WoW devs regretting that they have allowed dps parsing made me chuckle.
    And adding an in game parser would simply make it worse. Parsing is a great tool, its also notoriously used for harrassment/bullying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Interesting. For reference, I didn't ask for this because I doubted he said that; I know well his stance, even if I disagree with it, I just wanted to know the specific context of the quote you were looking for. For what it's worth, I continue to disagree, both with your stance and his, especially when he goes on to say that any punishment for a third-party tool would be a punishment for harassment, not for the third-party tool, which is something that would remain true whether the parser was implemented or not.

    And adding an in game parser would simply make it worse. Parsing is a great tool, its also notoriously used for harrassment/bullying.
    This is simply an unprovable statement, and could be extrapolated to any tool including the chatbox.
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