jusr give us a personal dps tracker

[Aerixa]

console players STILL waiting on a personal dps parser (just shows ones own dps).., parsing and fflogs are just part of the (raiding) reality in ffxiv, .. as its used hard in the discussions atm around dps balancing etc.

... but console players are discriminated..

... nothing should change in concerns to "abuse / mobbing" with parsers, ... and it truly wouldn\\\\'t change, if console players could get their own legal parser.

... this is something waaaay overdue, ... the last "excuses" Yoshi called out on, are totally unrealistic (players still look up other players dps fflogs, they will stll shut you out of statics,.. just instead of saying directly in game chat, they say it indirectly in discord.. , just cause the 1-5% playstation get a personal parser will not add to more / less abuse)

... and its a pain, console players are dependent on pc players, for uploades or any other infos

The only conntent where DPS meter is need is endgame raids and not even all need them just Ultimated tbh. DPS meter creats toxicit that the true and SE should never implant on

[FireMage]

The only conntent where DPS meter is need is endgame raids and not even all need them just Ultimated tbh. DPS meter creats toxicit that the true and SE should never implant on

There is nothing toxic about meters

[Ransu]

There is nothing toxic about meters

There's a lot toxic about meters.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

There's a lot toxic about meters.

A DPS parser is fetching your chat log in raw data and compiling it in an excel sheet, just in real time. We could theoretically do this without parsers, it is just massively tedious.

Is quantified damage data toxic? I better hope not.

The problem isn't parsing per se, but the fact that we are treating parsing and damage info with such malice. The knowledge of how to properly analyse combat data is being pushed in obscurity in fear of public backlash and catching the ire of the FFXIV TOS - and because of this knowledge becoming obscure, what remains is people misunderstanding the data and proceeding to misuse it, intentionally or not.

Citing a friend who has raided cutting edge in WoW a long while ago, his raid group had dedicated logs analysts and if someone who was not part of the analysts decided to give his uneducated input to literally judge anyone, they got permanently benched - they were both wrong and out of place.

Once again - parsing isn't the issue, but the lack of knowledge of how to apply parsing correctly is, thanks to being pushed into obscurity, basically the equivalent to the Dark Age messing with technological advancement.

[Ransu]

A DPS parser is fetching your chat log in raw data and compiling it in an excel sheet, just in real time. We could theoretically do this without parsers, it is just massively tedious.

Is quantified damage data toxic? I better hope not.

The problem isn't parsing per se, but the fact that we are treating parsing and damage info with such malice. The knowledge of how to properly analyse combat data is being pushed in obscurity in fear of public backlash and catching the ire of the FFXIV TOS - and because of this knowledge becoming obscure, what remains is people misunderstanding the data and proceeding to misuse it, intentionally or not.

Citing a friend who has raided cutting edge in WoW a long while ago, his raid group had dedicated logs analysts and if someone who was not part of the analysts decided to give his uneducated input to literally judge anyone, they got permanently benched - they were both wrong and out of place.

Once again - parsing isn't the issue, but the lack of knowledge of how to apply parsing correctly is, thanks to being pushed into obscurity, basically the equivalent to the Dark Age messing with technological advancement.

Again, I don't mind parsing, but I simply think what we have now is perfectly fine. If you wanna know your numbers run the parsing program, but its basically keep it to yourself or risk a ban. I've seen first hand how bad a completely open parsing tool is to a community in WoW. Its not good and I'm completely against having one built into the game and agree with Yoshi-P that it would lead to an extreme level of bullying/toxicity. It sucks for console players who can't gain easy access to their numbers, but at the same time this game really truly doesn't need a parser, especially if you're not doing end game...and even then, meh its not really needed. Its a nice to have kind of thing, but its not necessary like in WoW where the meta in M+ has basically been built around it. I did savage for years without ever using one and just relied on log uploads from static members that would upload them.

[FireMage]

There\\'s a lot toxic about meters.

Prove it then

[Aerixa]

Prove it then

Easy go play with a hardcore raid team do savage and see how toxic the can get about not doing some stupid number and the not clearn the fight before he does 1 more mecha. Many Raid team did break because of dps meater if that not toxic i dont know what is. The true is this game is super easy all u need is to do Mecha right and do roations and if ilvl i higher then need one for the fight it even less work.

[SaberMaxwell]

Easy go play with a hardcore raid team do savage and see how toxic the can get about not doing some stupid number and the not clearn the fight before he does 1 more mecha. Many Raid team did break because of dps meater if that not toxic i dont know what is. The true is this game is super easy all u need is to do Mecha right and do roations and if ilvl i higher then need one for the fight it even less work.

Gotcha.

Okay done. None of that happened, now what?

[TakumiHarada]

I agree it's totally ridiculous.

Saying "we're not implementing DPS meter because it can lead to harassment" is like trying to ban cigarettes or alcohol.

You can't ban it. It's simple as that. Most EX+ players have already been doing it for years anyway through an open-to-public, open-to-all-PC-players invention called FFLogs.

If there are harassment/toxic issues, they already exist and will never go away, unless someone goes and shuts FFLogs down.

It's effectively locking console players out of a DPS meter.

It's just an excuse for the devs to be lazy.

[Dzian]

SSS parses are...questionable at best, for more than a few reasons

They're not questionable They're a pretty decent tool.. What the SSS dummies do is tell you both where your potential dps should roughly be at a given ilevel. And by extention whether or not you can potentially hold your own in a piece of content ..

The idea then being SSS tells you what you are capable of. And in content it's just trying to reach that potential while dealing with mechanics..

Or to make it simpler.. SSS tells you where your personal ceiling is and where it should be at any given ilevel under optimal conditions..

What they should really do is simply make them mandatory for joining party finders. If you can't beat a dummy there's absolutely zero chance you can contribute in actual content..

"link numbers or gtfo"
#pf

Honestly if the party finder was more reliable as a whole this would never be an issue. But when so many groups completely fail it's not surprising people would take steps to try and prevent there time being wasted.