Helare shortage in PF: what would bring you back?

[Renathras]

Wanna know what the joking irony is? Holy Priest has a more involved DPS rotation than most FF14 healers

No, it doesn't. Not optimally. The optimal rotation for Holy Priest is upkeep Shadow Word: Pain (if you aren't low on mana) and spam Smite as your filler, with Holy Fire on a short CD if you have an abundance of MP. That's actually one less single target damage button than FFXIV's WHM. Including Shdow Word: Death makes them equal, but you don't use Shadow Word: Death in "execution" much. Firstly, because it has a CD, and secondly, because it harms the Priest for that amount of damage if the target doesn't die, and healing isn't as free as in FFXIV where you can instantly and easily top yourself off while doing this by weaving an oGCD, as WoW doesn't have oGCDs like FFXIV does for that. While you can use some talents to add things like (basically) Earthly Star, those aren't optimal in all fights and aren't used in many cases. Likewise, Resto Druid with the Balance subspec has two spam nukes it alternates between and a single target and AOE DoTs. FERAL subspec has Cat Form-lite, but isn't optimal for Raids.

I know you want this to be true, but it really isn't. While SOME WoW healers have more involved damage kits than FFXIV healers, SOME have less or equal kits, and in Raids, using their mana for damage is suboptimal in that game unless they have a surplus.

This IS more true in Mythic Dungeons, but that's a rather different argument, not to mention lots of people don't like Mythic Dungeons OR the toxicity they've generated.

In fact, I went into a deep dive with you (I believe) over this once already, laying them all out, showing you the optimal rotations and priority systems based on Icy Veins, etc etc.

And again, why are you advocating for your idea?

I could ask you why you feel the need to respond to every one of my posts, even when I'm trying to mostly ignore you attacks, but it would be just as fruitless. Not to mention this is a loaded question fallacy: I'm not advocating for my idea here. The only thing I'm advocating is all you non-"baby healer" people better get your butts in gear and fill those PF healer slots if you don't want SE to go the other direction.

Most Sylphies won't

Where did I ever say I was advocating for Sylphies? By your definition of a Sylphie, I'm not even one, and my numbers and skill rivals your own.

players who can't perform a barebones and simplistic rotation, thats all anyone asks for,

(it isn't all your asking for...)

probably are not good enough for said content.

Strange, because they're good enough for said content in 6.1...

Have you considered that the issue may be the difficulty spike and that the issue is, that SE didn't design encounters so far which would slowly raise average healers towards the appropriate skill level?

I have.

I deem that unlikely because of the fact that there is other content in the past that has done so (e.g. HW and SB), and that if the argument holds that the majority of healers are like you - which you've said many many times now - and not like me, then you all should easily be able to adapt since this is what you've been wanting since it was taken away from you at the end of HW, or at the latest, end of SB/launch of ShB.

The fact is, it appears you've been wrong all this time about that - the majority is not the people that find healing boring. And the people who do are clearly not making up for the people either qutting healing or quitting PF healing.

But then again, what do you want healers to be?

When you ask this question for real, and without your stupid spin on the end, I can answer it.

If healing is so easy, as you contend, then we shouldn't be seeing a shortage of healers.

Basically this:

It's kinda amusing to see what's going on right now.

Like a Patch earlier, some healer were complaining about "We have not enough to heal, healer is useless / Give us DPS button to press". And now that healer finally got something to heal, they just vanished, like it's too hard somehow. Don't get me wrong, for some people, this kind of damage is still not enough to entertain them, but like Rein_eon_Osborne said, the damage done by Tank Buster and Raid Wide comparing to the last tier is a huge jump in term of difficulty, that require a teamwork of a whole other level. If the last tier was a Savage, this one is a Savage + (Not Ultimate, cause we are no where near, but still, the difficulty take a good step up).

I know many people that just stopped trying P8S because they don't get it, or think they can't do that. "Too hard" they said. You say we have a shortage in term of healer, I think we have a shortage of everything actually in savage.

Going back to the main subject. I think that healer's need some "True" Identity. Getting Pure Healer and Shield Healer is good, the problem is, it's kinda the same things when you switch from WHM to AST, or from SCH to SGE. Identity isn't determined by the "Ressource" job use, like Lily for WHM or Fairy Gauge for SCH. We need something that actually make a Healer unique, like : "This one can do that, but this one can't". If WHM regen people, why AST is awfully similar ? Of course, their Ultimate heal is really different, like the WHM can withstand multiple Raid Wide (Aka Centaur 1 for P8S) with ease, but for an AST it's a little trickier.

Remember like how they were really different on P3S ?

WHM got the advantage on Fountain of Life, but AST can cheese the "1HP Heal malus" Mecanics (Because of the millions of damage taken)

Those two ability is a good step forwards tho, maybe we can try to imagine something out of this.

[T-Owl]

No, it doesn't. Not optimally. The optimal rotation for Holy Priest is upkeep Shadow Word: Pain (if you aren't low on mana) and spam Smite as your filler, with Holy Fire on a short CD if you have an abundance of MP. That's actually one less single target damage button than FFXIV's WHM. Including Shdow Word: Death makes them equal, but you don't use Shadow Word: Death in "execution" much. Firstly, because it has a CD, and secondly, because it harms the Priest for that amount of damage if the target doesn't die, and healing isn't as free as in FFXIV where you can instantly and easily top yourself off while doing this by weaving an oGCD, as WoW doesn't have oGCDs like FFXIV does for that. While you can use some talents to add things like (basically) Earthly Star, those aren't optimal in all fights and aren't used in many cases. Likewise, Resto Druid with the Balance subspec has two spam nukes it alternates between and a single target and AOE DoTs. FERAL subspec has Cat Form-lite, but isn't optimal for Raids.

I know you want this to be true, but it really isn't. While SOME WoW healers have more involved damage kits than FFXIV healers, SOME have less or equal kits, and in Raids, using their mana for damage is suboptimal in that game unless they have a surplus.

This IS more true in Mythic Dungeons, but that's a rather different argument, not to mention lots of people don't like Mythic Dungeons OR the toxicity they've generated.

In fact, I went into a deep dive with you (I believe) over this once already, laying them all out, showing you the optimal rotations and priority systems based on Icy Veins, etc etc.

No you did not,can you stop making claims involving me that are not true? And again, you forgot Holy World Chastice, like I mentioned DF will include an additional ability to make Holy Fire used more frequently and another one to creat damage synergies with it, in return I left out the current covenant ability which are mostly damaging ones. And yeah, shadow word death does minor damage for rp reasons, which isn't a big deal with the damaging profile of this game. You also ignore the cds and durations of this abilities. Shadow Word Pain was unspecialized 18 seconds I think, holy word has 10 seconds cd, chastice will have depending on dps uptime one minute to like I think 15 seconds cd. Also there is holy nova too but thats just the aoe filler. But generally, you will not press smite as often as you would glare. It will get dps mechanics involving holy fire in a bit more than two months. If you would have done your research, you would know that I fucked up and forgot restauration shaman who has barebones dps, still more involved because it has shorter cds and dot durations. And generally I would argue that the incoming damage in most wow content probably would overwhelm people who already get overwhelmed in FF14.

I could ask you why you feel the need to respond to every one of my posts, even when I'm trying to mostly ignore you attacks, but it would be just as fruitless. Not to mention this is a loaded question fallacy: I'm not advocating for my idea here. The only thing I'm advocating is all you non-"baby healer" people better get your butts in gear and fill those PF healer slots if you don't want SE to go the other direction.

Because you're wrong most of the time, this conversation began a reply from you at a post from me to another person and you were toxically trying to co-opt my argument by spreading false information, which I consider rude and what you are doing now after initiating this discussion to be gaslighting, agan.

Where did I ever say I was advocating for Sylphies? By your definition of a Sylphie, I'm not even one, and my numbers and skill rivals your own.

When you were comparing Holy Priest, wrongly, with a Sylphie-WHM? And can you like prove that? Because your entire argument boils down to that you wouldn't be capable or too stressed out to fulfill the usually very low healing requirements if your dps rotation would be made up of one button. I stopped playing healers in FF14 and instead started to level up my DPS classes because I got burned out from the game entirely to the point of stopping to play the game for half a year because I got burned out and demotivated by the oen button dps rotation.

(it isn't all your asking for...)

I mean, it is? For Scholar, I think everyone is fine with their pre-ShB toolkit, for White Mage most people me included are just asking for a dumbed down version of the Black Mage rotation and I already stated that I would like it to be the more gcd and cast heavy healer, easy to learn, great performance, hard to optimize.

Strange, because they're good enough for said content in 6.1...

You are still not the voice of the silent majority of true healers who are suddenly beating those evil parser kiddies in healing and then the entire class room stands up and claps and everyone on reddit is taken aback and moved.

I have.

I deem that unlikely because of the fact that there is other content in the past that has done so (e.g. HW and SB), and that if the argument holds that the majority of healers are like you - which you've said many many times now - and not like me, then you all should easily be able to adapt since this is what you've been wanting since it was taken away from you at the end of HW, or at the latest, end of SB/launch of ShB.

The fact is, it appears you've been wrong all this time about that - the majority is not the people that find healing boring. And the people who do are clearly not making up for the people either qutting healing or quitting PF healing.

What do you want with Heavensword? That is 5 years ago, most of the players were probably not even playing at this point, the big hype surrounding this game really only started in ShB. And Extreme Healers back from HW are probably just healing this content fine? Like, this is such a non-argument, name me one example of a player who started ShB or Endwalker who may even be new to savage, where healers get through normal msq content one has to go through to become savage ready or even trials prepared to the incoming damage spikes or bleed mechanics which actually hurt like this? Wan't the last dot mechanic like in ARR?

When you ask this question for real, and without your stupid spin on the end, I can answer it.

If healing is so easy, as you contend, then we shouldn't be seeing a shortage of healers.

It is an intersection of super easy and non-challenging where people who would let others carry them through dungeons without investing more than an occassional heal cast would pick the role up while at the same time not being very engaging and as we see right now, rarely having healing requirements that are close to challenging, to the point where when healers have to heal for a bit they already get overwhelmed. So, SE basically pushed the role into one of minimum expectations where the slightest heal check will scare people away. Thats what people ask for more involved dps in the first place, because everyone knows high healing requirements are probably not here to stay.

Edit: And it really reached the point where the only thing I can recommend to my fellow healers if they are fed up with how SE treats them is: Maybe try WoW. It has great healer classes who are all different and exciting and it soon will get a new one. Seriously, healing just isn't worth it in FF14 for me, when I want to heal I go back to WoW.