Stuck in the mindset of FFXI, you can't see the highest potential of this MMO

[Hypnotic13371337]

SO then why would you say what you said? The OP is not asking to make this FFXI-2. They want people to have an open mind about ideas... the can pull ideas from other games and make them better for this game I see no problem at all with that.

Also why not offer discussion instead of just saying this is FFXIV not FFXI-2... give more thoughts and opinions rather then simply op for the attack...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

i was saying "this is FFXIV, NOT FFXI-2" as a semi joke.

alot of people seem to be wanting ffxi stuff in the game but as the OP said (and should be obvious) this isnt the same game so we dont need to make it like its XI-2.

i can see how people would think it was typed in a hateful tone though, because its in text and you cant hear me saying it, but do people read everything in a hateful tone?

[NadienKirisame]

i was saying "this is FFXIV, NOT FFXI-2" as a semi joke.

alot of people seem to be wanting ffxi stuff in the game but as the OP said (and should be obvious) this isnt the same game so we dont need to make it like its XI-2.

i can see how people would think it was typed in a hateful tone though, because its in text and you cant hear me saying it, but do people read everything in a hateful tone?

Sadly if you look through most of the topics that mention anything with FFXI and the way both sides go at it... It can be hard to tell sometimes which way people will go... either full out attack or not. I have in past threads tried to quell the attacks but it is all for naught...

I am sorry if I sort of jumped at you... its just the OP so pretty nice in the way it was that I didn't think anyone would actually go into the whole its FFXIV not FFXI-2...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Volsung]

...but do people read everything in a hateful tone?

OMG you jerk!!! lol j/k I had too.

But in all honesty its sad when simply saying "like such in such event" when referring to an event in another game, garners such hate, you can't move forward in a positive manner. Hell I'd love if Hamlet defense were similar to campaign/besieged from XI..... but others see XI and hate, even though they were fun, well designed, and different.

[Akumu]

i was saying "this is FFXIV, NOT FFXI-2" as a semi joke.

alot of people seem to be wanting ffxi stuff in the game but as the OP said (and should be obvious) this isnt the same game so we dont need to make it like its XI-2.

i can see how people would think it was typed in a hateful tone though, because its in text and you cant hear me saying it, but do people read everything in a hateful tone?

Not only is this not FFXI, but also this is not the same generation as when FFXI was still in its prime. If Yoshi-P wants this game to succeed he will have to take into account the current generation of players.

People need to understand the MMO genre has shifted and certain things just won't help a MMO be successful(unless adjusted to fit). I too have my FFXI nostalgia but that is the past and that's where it will stay.

[Vaen]

i was saying "this is FFXIV, NOT FFXI-2" as a semi joke.

alot of people seem to be wanting ffxi stuff in the game but as the OP said (and should be obvious) this isnt the same game so we dont need to make it like its XI-2.

i can see how people would think it was typed in a hateful tone though, because its in text and you cant hear me saying it, but do people read everything in a hateful tone?

Right, I got what you meant when you said that I think some people just misinterpreted. It tends to happen on these forums >.<

Well to stray away from the FFXI paradigm, SE must take all elements that they took from FFXI, starting with the Races they obviously C&P'd (i know the looks may be a tad different but its blatantly obvious where they got the races from). Also take away the new jobs, again something else they took from FFXI (yes they might be in other games but if we are gonna be not like FFXI then they need to go as well) Same for crafting, as well as other things. If you want people to stop talking about it being like FFXI and making it more like FFXI then you must make the devs stop implementing FFXI elements.

And if bothers you so much that you have to make a thread about this, I mean then stop playing, its obviously effecting your real life for you to be making a thread about the subject lol. The games gonna be how its gonna be take it or leave it, just stop crying about people wanting the game to be like its predecessor which by the way was a huge success (it has died down over the years but thats because of the people complaining how hard it was and how long it took to level).

Clearly you misunderstood my point. I never said that FFXIV shouldn't copy ANYTHING from FFXI. I said that FFXIV should only copy THE BEST parts of FFXI

For example, I love the races from FFXI and I'm glad FFXIV used a slightly redesigned version of them.

I hate the faction grinding in FFXI and I'm glad that that wasn't copied.

Anyway, I knew the success of FFXI would come up and that something I wanted to talk about. It was pretty successful for its time and I think it has a lot to offer despite all the archaic things in it like faction grinding and all the waiting (for groups, traveling, NM spawns, etc.) FFXIV is competing with a lot more MMOs and it's a different market now. It can't afford to have all the inconveniences that FFXI had if it wants to grow and achieve a larger playerbase than it has now.

That's why I think it's really important for people to understand that FFXIV should only copy the "good" from FFXI and leave out the less popular aspects of those "good" systems.

[Wynn]

OMG you jerk!!! lol j/k I had too.

But in all honesty its sad when simply saying "like such in such event" when referring to an event in another game, garners such hate, you can't move forward in a positive manner. Hell I'd love if Hamlet defense were similar to campaign/besieged from XI..... but others see XI and hate, even though they were fun, well designed, and different.

I loved besieged so much. <3

[Travesty]

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.

When this game was first announced, it excited me because I was sure, logically, that SE could put their experience from creating FFXI to good use in this game. They could take the good and leave the bad. Sadly, that ended up not even remotely happening. It seemed they instead ignored anything they might have learned and started from scratch.

Luckily that's changing now. Taking experience and good pieces from a previous game and implementing them, or modified versions of them, in a new game, does not make that game a copy of the first. Using elements and experience from XI in XIV does not make it XI-2. People need to get off that train of thought. It's dumb.

[Gramul]

All I'm saying is there where a ton of great things about XI that they could use as influence.

[Wynn]

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.

When this game was first announced, it excited me because I was sure, logically, that SE could put their experience from creating FFXI to good use in this game. They could take the good and leave the bad. Sadly, that ended up not even remotely happening. It seemed they instead ignored anything they might have learned and started from scratch.

Luckily that's changing now. Taking experience and good pieces from a previous game and implementing them, or modified versions of them, in a new game, does not make that game a copy of the first. Using elements and experience from XI in XIV does not make it XI-2. People need to get off that train of thought. It's dumb.

To me it almost seemed like SE's mindset when they were designing XIV was to take everything good from XI and tack it on a board of things they will NOT do in this game. LOL But then again, like I said, what people like is different and what I think was good about XI others might think was absolute shit.

[Travesty]

To me it almost seemed like SE's mindset when they were designing XIV was to take everything good from XI and tack it on a board of things they will NOT do in this game. LOL But then again, like I said, what people like is different and what I think was good about XI others might think was absolute shit.

True, people may like different things... but I think the consensus sides with your opinion and mine. It truly did seem like FFXIV was developed using no experience or knowledge from XI.