Allow us to obtain the refund when relinquishing land

[Karlek]

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I highly doubt that devs are checking English speaking forums. Why? Because it could be due to a language barrier, cultural differences or a combination of both. Asian devs in particular are often very detached from the community and almost never post on the forums. They often rely on useless "representatives" that only talk but produce very little results. These devs just keep on churning out broken or poorly designed content as a status-quo without any understanding of its effects because they refuse to listen to feedback from the player base. The fact that there were issues that can be easily fixed but have been here for years demonstrates how badly detached these guys are from reality.

I know there are some social Japanese people but these devs are not some of them. If you want to be offended then it is your right. However, no offense was meant nor given.

[AnnietheCat]

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this isn't a matter of me wanting to be offended; your wording was in such a way that seemed as though you were taking a swing at Japanese people. However, as I said, the players on the Japanese forums are saying the same things that are being said here, just in Japanese. So it isn't a matter of them not paying attention to the English forums or being detached. Yoshi-P has stated time and time again that he wants FFXIV to be different from any other MMO, and he's played many. Because of that, he keeps choosing broken, poorly designed systems in order to be different; he won't choose to be "influenced" by other games and therefore systems that are tried and true aren't inspiring systems in our game. This has nothing to do with the devs being Japanese. This is pure stubbornness and mediocrity for want of being unique. So yes, what you've said is something rude and of course I intended to point that out to you. To say that "Asian Devs" are the problem and that is the reason they don't listen to the players is naturally something we(we being Japanese people) would/should be annoyed with.

In short, the problem is one of shitty design choices that have nothing to do with the race of the dev team, and to imply otherwise is nothing short of disrespectful(if I'm putting it mildly). It's fine that it wasn't your intent to offend, but intentions are inconsequential when you say things like that.

[Chyro]

Hm...

Have it so that you can only abandon your house by selling it to the caretaker NPC, for a full refund.
The Plot doesn't become free immediately - but after a 24h timewindow, which is visible on the housing list.

Would get rid of 'relinquish' fees and house selling between players. Instead the housing plot would go to the fastest clicker / best connection that is present at the end of the time window - at least somewhat of an equal chance for interested buyers.

Another option would be that those interested in a free plot buy a 'ticket' for the cost of the basic house fee. RNG decides who gets the plot (yay equality?) - the rest gets a refund for their ticket.

Probably unwanted option: Auction for free plots. Richest gets it - or who raises by 1 gil in the last second before auction end.


I don't think an entirely fair option is possible - aside from having enough houses available for everyone that wants one.

[Skivvy]

So this is my very first necropost in ALL of my gaming history. 7 years old! Go big or go home!

Now with that out of the way, I think maybe it's time for SE to take a look at this idea. As it is now, demolitions have been on hold for a lengthy amount of time. I have a house that I currently want to be rid of, but I also want to be able to get some of my gil back on it, and unfortunately it seems like housing demolition isn't going to be turned back on anytime soon.

I know previously people were concerned with players possibly double-dipping if they were to sell the house AND be able to reclaim 80% of their gil, but with the addition of the lottery system, that seems to have eliminated any possibility of that happening. Thoughts?

[Jojoya]

So this is my very first necropost in ALL of my gaming history. 7 years old! Go big or go home!

Now with that out of the way, I think maybe it's time for SE to take a look at this idea. As it is now, demolitions have been on hold for a lengthy amount of time. I have a house that I currently want to be rid of, but I also want to be able to get some of my gil back on it, and unfortunately it seems like housing demolition isn't going to be turned back on anytime soon.

I know previously people were concerned with players possibly double-dipping if they were to sell the house AND be able to reclaim 80% of their gil, but with the addition of the lottery system, that seems to have eliminated any possibility of that happening. Thoughts?

Gil is too easy to make. If I didn't want my house anymore, I'd just relinquish it and be done. I don't need to get any of my gil back - I already have far more gil now than I had at the time I originally purchased my house.

But that's true for me. I can't say that would hold true for players who have a hard time making gil.

I still think it's silly to hang onto something you no longer care about just because the original seller (the game in this case) won't give you a partial refund. It's part of why I think there should be a monthly gil fee for retaining a house, as unpopular as that idea is. It puts the situation into better perspective and makes it easier for people to give up the house when they no longer want it.

[Skivvy]

Gil is too easy to make. If I didn't want my house anymore, I'd just relinquish it and be done. I don't need to get any of my gil back - I already have far more gil now than I had at the time I originally purchased my house.

But that's true for me. I can't say that would hold true for players who have a hard time making gil.

I still think it's silly to hang onto something you no longer care about just because the original seller (the game in this case) won't give you a partial refund. It's part of why I think there should be a monthly gil fee for retaining a house, as unpopular as that idea is. It puts the situation into better perspective and makes it easier for people to give up the house when they no longer want it.

I don't have a hard time making gil, however, I still don't see why you should have to forfeit an 80% refund when you are voluntarily giving it up instead of waiting for a demolition timer to boot you out. Honestly, it seems a bit backwards at this point. I can understand why they may not have wanted to have that as an option back when houses could be instantly repurchased, but those days are long gone.

[Jojoya]

I don't have a hard time making gil, however, I still don't see why you should have to forfeit an 80% refund when you are voluntarily giving it up instead of waiting for a demolition timer to boot you out. Honestly, it seems a bit backwards at this point. I can understand why they may not have wanted to have that as an option back when houses could be instantly repurchased, but those days are long gone.

It's one of those situations where I don't agree on one hand but taking other things into account need to agree on the other.

I don't think the refund should exist even for demolition. The player had use of the house for whatever period of time so shouldn't need one.

But... I understand the refund is there to ease the pain of those players who had their house demo for reasons outside of their control. If SE is going to refund players who lose their house because they've stopped using it for whatever reason then players who want to voluntarily give up their house should get the same refund.

Back to the broken record of "if SE had only chosen to use a good instanced system in the first place, we wouldn't need to have these discussions".

The system was poorly thought out by SE from the start, beginning with their puzzling idea that only FCs would have an interest in getting a house when most of the other MMOs with housing at the time showed that the majority of demand was for personal housing. As much as I want to think SE will go back and revamp the housing system so every player can get a house of their choosing, I doubt it's going to happen at this point in the game's life cycle.

So what becomes the fair way to charge and compensate players for purchase and for relinquishing (voluntary or not). If we're just going to make a habit of refunding almost all gil to the buyer when they no longer have the plot, there's little point in charging for it in the first place.

[HeyMcFly]

We should be allowed to obtain some of the gil back when we relinquish our house Even if that person can't buy another plot for a certain time frame after relinquishing their land- maybe the same time frame as the current lotto is going on

For people who don't like the idea of others getting their gil back, there's a lotto in place so it's not like the person can just go & buy whatever plot they want unless it's an FC house that is transferred to them which already happens (likely less often than before but still happens)

I personally also feel like adding suggestions to the lotto is pointless- the lotto won't be improved in a long time if ever.
Because housing is tied to an active subscription & Yoshi-P & SE want the money
With as hard as it is currently to get a house, players are more inclined to hang onto their plots as long as possible so it's all intentional

[Jojoya]

Because housing is tied to an active subscription & Yoshi-P & SE want the money

And yet we're about to start our 11th consecutive month of world wide demolition suspension (it began Dec. 5th of last year).

No one needs to maintain an active subscription to keep a house right now, and that probably won't change for several more months.

If they were doing it for the money, they wouldn't suspend demolition for any reason. Instead, they suspend demolition so a tiny percentage of players who may or may not be able to play the game can keep their house.

Players should give up on that tired old theme of "SE wants the money from house owners" especially when players only need to be subscribed about 40% of the year to keep a house even when demolition is active.

[DeNada]

Housing is supposed to be one of the major gil sink in the game though.

The world is already facing pressures of gil inflation as there aren't enough gil sinks to remove gil away from the economy compared to the rate gil is being generated. If everyone who owns a house is being refunded by simply relinquishing their house, that would further destabilize the game economy and leads to an even bigger divide between the haves and have nots.