New Caster

[Ralphe2449]

Definitely want a dot focused class like necromancer as previously mentioned, black mage feels like it has taken the spot of generic mage since its skills are basic elements, a more edgy warlock kind of caster that uses more dark/void magic with a lot of dots would be soooo good

[VentVanitas]

Necromancer DoT caster. Hardcast big hitter spells whether it's casting a big hit or a channeled spell that DoT ticks every second. Instant cast spells for double the damage and mana with a Dark Arts mechanic similar to HW DRK Dark Arts or Sage Eukrasia. No Raid buffs. No Utilities. Just pure damage. We need a caster to rival Black Mage.

No gimmicks please, just an honest to god caster that hard-casts spells. Preferably with DoTs.

These people have the right idea. No melee/caster hybrids, no borderline physical ranged mobility, no whacky gimmicks. Just another hardcasting mage please. Whether they're a Hexer, Warlock, Venomancer, Puppetmaster, Necromancer, etc. I don't care that much so long as they aren't aesthetically another elemental job like BLM/SMN/RDM already are.

I would rather them not adding a Rune Fencer or Geomancer at all if it means they're going to have to do some huge leaps of imagination just to justify their existence like Sage. In other words, don't add anything if you can only give a half-assed compromise. Full-ass or no-ass.

[AriaValkyrie]

Let's work on some concepts, then.

What would the core mechanics of this potential job be? Beyond specifically something like Dark Arts, what would make a unique job?

Something that builds personal resources to spend (over time or from casts), or MP management like OG Dark Arts?

Could do something like Scholar from XI, with light/dark arts (as a concept, not as white/black magic) as semi-stances and enhance or change their spells based on their stance. like a Drain type spell to recover MP, or deal higher damage depending.

If we're going pure selfish, what personal utility do they have, if any? Upkeep buffs/debuffs, some kind of movement ability, personal shields?

How much variety do they have in their rotation? various spells on cooldowns, combo bonuses, pure priority upkeep? spammed spells like blm?

Channeled spells like Mch's Flamethrower could be fun, would it purely be a root and don't move situation, or can they still cast while doing so until they move, more like Ten Chi Jin from Nin?

If an edgelord caster like a lot of people seem to want, do they deal with ashkin, voidkin, the void itself, something purely unaspected, or some new concept?

There's a lot of things we could go for, but what mechanics would make the job interesting enough to play? I know there was talk about reskinning HW era summoner's core gameplay, but adding some good variety there would be nice, since I remember there being a lot of ruin spam back in the day (fun, but more options wouldn't hurt).

[GeraldW]

I'm expecting time mage considering it'll start at level 80 and who do we know from level 80 content that has a unique weapon and has time based abilities

[Renathras]

No gimmicks please, just an honest to god caster that hard-casts spells. Preferably with DoTs.

BLM is that, though?

What I'd like to see is a honest to god caster that hard-casts spells AND HAS NO DOTS. Straight up "bring the damage" nuker that's all about raw power and explosions. Basically what BLM would be if it didn't have Thunder DoTs and didn't have to shift to Ice Phase all the time. Maybe something like Magus, though there'd potentially be too much stepping on toes there.

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I honestly don't want another "melee caster". We already have two in that RDM has its melee phase that it goes into all the time and SMN has a 1-2 melee combo in Ifrit. Not including healers, the game only has 1 full time Caster Job, which is BLM.

If people want a spellsword or embued weapon Job, that can be the next Melee the game adds. That doesn't need to be taking up a Caster slot.

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As for other Jobs:

Geomancer - could work here if it's NOT melee focused (again, if it is, it should be Melee - bonus points if it branches from CNJ somehow so WHM can finally benefit from the 2-in-1 that SCH gets, but instead of focusing on heals goes the caster route with Water, Aero, and Earth spells)

Time Mage - could work as a DoT type mage with the DoTs thematically being bending time and space, weathering the enemy with age, etc. Alternatively, could be a galaxy brain Job where you can do things like stock spells for releasing in burst or have abilities that force DoTs to tick all at once (e.g. as if you hasted the DoT) and other fun stuff like Eden 2. ALTERNATIVELY, could be a time-space mage that focused on the space with spells like Demi/Gravity/Comet/Meteor shenanigans.

Green Mage - as a debuff mage in FF games in general (and also buffer, but we'll set that aside), Green Mage is thematically the most prone to DoT mage Job you could hope for in a lot of ways. DoTs thematically being its enfeebling spells would make a lot of sense. Though I recall the Devs saying something about wanting to move away from DoTs in general (something about them being harder on the servers somehow), except they keep giving them to healers, so who even knows... Green Mage could have some buff utility if they wanted to go that way to make it distinct from BLM (stuff like Haste and such), though they could just make it a straight up DoT themed mage and call it a day.

Yoshi P already kinda said no to Necromancer because he doesn't want WoLs to do things that are pretty generally accepted as evil. Hence why Green Mage as an enfeebling themed Job might work as a close second to that kind of playstyle for people that want a DoT focused thing.

[SweetPete]

I just don’t think we will get a DoT based job. I don’t think the devs like dots much tbh. I can definitely see puppetmaster or geomancer. Those jobs have been hinted especially geomancer.

With Krile having a huge role next expansion I can see her becoming the new caster. Hopefully geomancer. Sorry I’m biased but I really love the job so much.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I hope we don't get Geomancer. All the casters we have right now are already Geomancers/Elemenatlists. Summoner uses Fire, Wind and Earth. Black Mage uses Fire, Ice and Lightning. Red Mage uses Fire, Wind, Earth and Lightning. Geomancer will be more of the same. I don't want more of the same. And I certainly don't want something that uses Water. Offensive water magic is so visually boring there's a reason most games don't even bother with it.

[MagiusNecros]

Yoshi P already kinda said no to Necromancer because he doesn't want WoLs to do things that are pretty generally accepted as evil. Hence why Green Mage as an enfeebling themed Job might work as a close second to that kind of playstyle for people that want a DoT focused thing.

Whitebrim Massacre goes brr. Also Garleans see you as a monster, and you were a walking death machine in Shadowbringer.

Green Mage in it's entries fits more IMO as a Tank given it's defensives and debuffing abilities which would be interesting although I can see Time Mage making for an amazing Magic Tank.

I feel like if they wanted to remove DoTs why keep them on:
Healers(DoT)
BRD(2 DoTs)
PLD(CoS, Goring)
GNB(Sonic Break, Bow Shock)
DRK(Salted Earth, Living Shadow)
DRG(Disembowel, Chaos Thrust)
SAM(Higanbana)
NIN(Doton)
MCH(Bioblaster, AQ)
BLM(Thunder)
SMN(Slipstream)
BLU(Bad Breath, Aqua Breath, Song of Torment, Aetherial Spark, Mustard Bomb, Nightbloom)

15 out of the 20 existing jobs has them. I have this feeling DoTs from Summoner got ejected because another job is probably gonna have them as a class defining feature. Kinda like how Reaper has "Heavy Thrust" as one of it's "gimmicks".

Oh man could you imagine if a new class gets Kaiten but named different as it's class gimmick? Oh the salt...

[Kalaam]

A DoT centric job could work, instead of just maintaining them. Stuff like how bard's DoTs gave procs for other skills (making them essential to manage, which isn't the case anymore since they don't synergise with anything now, they are just there) or BLM lighning spells proccing themselves to become big damage insta casts.

[Seraphor]

I find a DoT centric job to be unlikely.
They didn't strip existing jobs of their DoTs to make room for another one, they did so because they're a pain to balance and because too many debuffs up at a time causes issues. Frankly I'm amazed BRD still has two DoTs, and wouldn't be surprised if it lost one in 7.0.

One weak DoT that doesn't have 100% uptime is one thing, but when you have multiple DoTs competing with what are supposed to be powerful spells, you run into issues like SMN had. When you're base potency is something like 30, and your only seem to count in multiples of 5, you don't have much wiggle room to adjust your damage output, you either buff to 35 or nerf to 25. Then when you get to your burst phase, your nuke spells can't do too much damage or you end up obliterating everyone else in the damage logs, so you end up with a Burst phase that's weaker than most jobs sustained damage.

The only way I could see a DoT centric job working now is if they have ONE DoT, but they can modify it or have it interact with mechanics in some way. Such as spells that increase the potency of the already applied DoT or spells that deal more damage if the target is already afflicted with the DoT. But that still comes with the 'difficult to balance' problem.

I feel like if they wanted to remove DoTs why keep them on:
Healers(DoT)
BRD(2 DoTs)
PLD(CoS, Goring)
GNB(Sonic Break, Bow Shock)
DRK(Salted Earth, Living Shadow)
DRG(Disembowel, Chaos Thrust)
SAM(Higanbana)
NIN(Doton)
MCH(Bioblaster, AQ)
BLM(Thunder)
SMN(Slipstream)
BLU(Bad Breath, Aqua Breath, Song of Torment, Aetherial Spark, Mustard Bomb, Nightbloom)

First off, you can't count BLU.
Second, only seven of those jobs have DoTs that you're supposed to maintain 100% uptime on, and four of them are healers so you could say it's a trait of the role. SMN used to be one of them and it had three of them all by itself.
Chaos thrust is 40 potency, Higanbana is 45 potency, and both of BRDs DoTs total 35 potency combined.
It's why, even as the selfish DPS poster boy, SAM's weaponskills are themselves even weaker than NIN's in terms of raw potency. That's not asignificant issue by itself, but when you're talking about adding a job with multiple, significant DoT effects, you're going to end up with individual spells with pitiful potencies, and then when it comes to level scaling and burst phases (#2minutewindow) balance will be a nightmare.