What Zero Could've Been

[Lunaxia]

I mean to be 100% fair, nonconstructive hate is a real thing. Aveyond experiences it in pretty much any thread he makes...

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

[SentioftheHoukai]

What's a 'fora knight'?

Nothing. Literally zero-sum, zero.

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

And yet, nobody is permitted to be even remotely upset over the "Little Sun" moment? I don't see how this is morally equivalent in any way, shape or form personally. I mostly ignored this topic when it devolved into yes, mindless hate. Since Aveyond is frankly not the foe your crusade seems so intent on rooting out and burning away. The fact remains that Magnai did nothing to earn the burn he got, yet the moment anyone points this out suddenly they're a bigot. Maybe Aveyond should have worded it better, but they're not wrong. That moment was merely a character who didn't deserve what he got being deemed an acceptable target.

And, as others have mentioned Aveyond spares the dudes no sympathy so how exactly are they a bigot? To me, it just seems you people are determined to indict Aveyond of something, anything and make it stick. Like a dirty, corrupt lawyer that knows its fighting for the wrong side but soldiers ever onwards for the sake of the paycheque.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Aveyond's just as much a troll as Senti and AwesomeJr. They're just honest about it.

[AwesomeJr44]

Aveyond's just as much a troll as Senti and AwesomeJr. They're just honest about it.

Right. The people you disagree with are trolls, but the people you agree with are genuine posters. What happened to the old MightyMollusk? The poster who made genuinely thought-out posts and didn't treat one side with more favor than the other? I used to enjoy reading your posts, now they're just drivel.

[Theodric]

I think it's one of those things to agree to disagree on, personally. As a gay guy, I'm interested in and attracted to men who are various degrees of masculine ranging from the classically handsome to the ruggedly handsome. That goes for different types of behaviour ranging from refined to crude and brutish.

It's a video game at the end of the day and I don't care to join a 'fight' to pursue the ever moving goalposts of whatever social media is causing a stir over in the moment. There's really no need to police personal tastes and preferences in aesthetics - especially when efforts have been made to offer compromises only for those very same compromises to be ignored.

Not sure what's meant to be 'homophobic' about priortising and preferring masculinity as a gay or bisexual guy given that a key part of being gay and into men involves...liking men. Though at this point, 'social justice' movements are veering awfully close to the sort of conversion therapy they claim to oppose. Just with a different end result.

[AwesomeJr44]

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

I'm not defending the OP, in fact I've made it quite clear that I'm not endorsing or condemning it. But if this reaction towards Aveyond isn't hate, then why are similar reactions to bad things coming from the other side then classified as 'hate'? Why are the people calling out Lyth for her crap called 'haters' for doing so, but your group responding with an equal amount of vitriol to Aveyond suddenly just people who disagree?

I feel like I'm missing something, how does that make sense in this context?

I said that Aveyond would get similar comments to the ones from here if he made a thread where he said the sky was blue, as it's not about what he says, people just don't like him as a poster, Zanarkand responded with saying that he thought people wouldn't, and I said that he wouldn't, because he is a rational person unlike the people that would. Pretty easy to grasp.

[Boblawblah]

Nothing. Literally zero-sum, zero.

I may disagree with you on certain topics but I don't see you as entirely irrational like the Fora Knights are

I feel like I'm missing something, how does that make sense in this context?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Right. The people you disagree with are trolls, but the people you agree with are genuine posters.

It's less to do with "agree or disagree" and more to do with his habit of making "controversial" or "hot take" topics and then endlessly repeating himself, often outright stating that he just isn't listening or won't engage with people who disagree with him. The presentation, rather than the message, as it were.

What happened to the old MightyMollusk? The poster who made genuinely thoughtout posts and didn't treat one side with more favor than the other? I used to enjoy reading your posts, now they're just drivel.

Age, mounting burnout, increasing cynicism, probably some untreated depression. I could go on, but nobody really wants me to play armchair self-diagnosis. It's also kinda hard to come up with interesting posts when every thread starts to sound pretty much exactly the same.

[SassyAssassin]

I think it's one of those things to agree to disagree on, personally. As a gay guy, I'm interested in and attracted to men who are various degrees of masculine ranging from the classically handsome to the ruggedly handsome. That goes for different types of behaviour ranging from refined to crude and brutish.

I read british. Why yes indeed.

[Kazhar]

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

I think it's a victimless crime in that case. We're talking about characters in the story, not how men and women should behave and exist in the real world. While I disagree on almost all of his views on the subject and find him unnecessarily close-minded, shouldn't he be allowed to have a preference to a particular archetype? People who better like conservative depictions of male and female characters aren't a threat to progressiveness in my opinion.