What Zero Could've Been

[AwesomeJr44]

This is enough, for me, to not take you seriously. I stop reading after these words in particular are spoken, for they are a bane upon the sanity and logical discussion and frankly I've already compiled an undoubtedly accurate mental database of which threads and content topic YOU would write off as "just misinformation and mindless hate".

I mean to be 100% fair, nonconstructive hate is a real thing. Aveyond experiences it in pretty much any thread he makes, regardless of topic or how good/bad his takes are in said thread. Aveyond could say that the sky is blue and that he likes that shade of blue, and the same group of posters would be there to post about him not liking burger scenes. I do find it really funny though how certain posters (not naming names so nobody get defensive) love to cry about Lyth hate threads, but then endorse an Aveyond hate thread.

Every day I drift further and further into the mindset of Anakin Skywalker, because from my point of view the Fora Knights are the ones who spread most of the mindless hate and disinformation you see on these forums.

The difference between you and Anakin is that you are right while he was not.

Don't believe me if that's what you're intent on doing, but frankly the Zodiark Trancer cult is the one interested in real, nuanced discussion and you cannot change my mind on this.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, I'm all for a real nuanced discussion, and while I can't speak for others, I'd wager a lot of people on the 'Zodiark Trancer' side feel the same way. But it doesn't seem like the other side of the debate wants free and open discussion, they want an echo chamber of positivity like the one you'll find in r/ffxiv.

And something I'd like to point out is that for all of the accusations of brigading that are thrown towards the Zodiark Trancers, nobody's willing to question if the other side is engaging in that behavior. If you asked me to pick ONE thread in the past week that had the most obvious signs of brigading, it would be this one. It's kind of sus that if I make a high-effort thoughtful comment that gets 10 likes, the Zodiark Trancers are brigading, all of those likes are from my friends and we're just trying to manipulate the discussion, but when literally any low effort post that is anti-Aveyond is getting at least 15, it's just the forum agreeing on something.

It's rules for thee and not for me. That's what it's always been. The other side engages in all of this nonsense and no one cares, but if the dreaded Zodiark Trancers dare do anything resembling the same (whether they're actually doing that or not), we're the bad guys now. A thread that's taking a big crap over Aveyond? Just the forum disagreeing with him. A thread that's calling Lyth out for crap she's actually doing? A Lyth hate thread.

People have forgotten the true meaning of being a troll. Assume nothing of my mental state, as you roil into a frothing wroth over the many offensive things I've uttered. Being a misanthrope frees one from the ineluctable fetters of bigotry. I'm having fun here, what of you?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I mean to be 100% fair, nonconstructive hate is a real thing. Aveyond experiences it in pretty much any thread he makes, regardless of topic or how good/bad his takes are in said thread. Aveyond could say that the sky is blue and that he likes that shade of blue, and the same group of posters would be there to post about him not liking burger scenes.

Thats kinda silly. I know we give the guy a hard time, but come on now, I dont think we'd go at him for saying the Sky is Blue or liking a shade of Blue...or just bring up Burgers in a discussion about Blue (I mean who knows, I could be wrong on that last part XD)

Im confused by this picture because I really dont get the whole Fora Knight thing.
Its weirdly funny because I just dont get it XD

I guess Ill ask while Im at it because you are directly using my name....are you lobbing me in with the A Lyth hate thread thing?
Because I wasnt even apart of that discussion...

[AwesomeJr44]

Thats kinda silly. I know we give the guy a hard time, but come on now, I dont think we'd go at him for saying the Sky is Blue or liking a shade of Blue...or just bring up Burgers in a discussion about Blue (I mean who knows, I could be wrong on that last part XD)

You can't see yourself doing that because you're not a blind hater. I may disagree with you on certain topics but I don't see you as entirely irrational like the Fora Knights are, so I 100% believe you when you say that you wouldn't. However, there are definitely people who were in this thread earlier (I'm not naming names as I don't want anyone to get hyper defensive and whine about it) who would gladly go into a basic take thread like "the sky is blue" and start ripping on Aveyond for the burger thing or whatever else they can find to do so with. I would honestly not be surprised if there's a discord of Aveyond haters out there who have a discord bot that alerts them whenever Aveyond posts, so that they can go attack him. And if that sounds insane, it's because they are.

[SentioftheHoukai]

The difference between you and Anakin is that you are right while he was not.

Well, to the best of my knowledge I've never murdered mass amounts of children so I've gotta be doing something right.

And a little Twitter magic, courtesy of a certain account on there catching wind of this thread, helps add spice to it as well.

Hey now, maybe I'll finally be added to the Hall of Shame!

This

People have forgotten the true meaning of being a troll. Assume nothing of my mental state, as you roil into a frothing wroth over the many offensive things I've uttered. Being a misanthrope frees one from the ineluctable fetters of bigotry. I'm having fun here, what of you?

one surely warrants it, right? I mean, really. I'm kinda upset that I'm not already there.

Im confused by this picture because I really dont get the whole Fora Knight thing.
Its weirdly funny because I just dont get it XD

And therein lies the joke. Me. I'm the joke. I'm so broke the joke assumed my life and replaced me.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

And therein lies the joke. Me. I'm the joke. I'm so broke the joke assumed my life and replaced me.

So whats the Joke again?
A clear explanation instead of being cryptic would be nice. Just so I can understand it.
Kind of hard to make a coherent reply if I dont understand the reference, or Joke or whatever

[Lunaxia]

I mean to be 100% fair, nonconstructive hate is a real thing. Aveyond experiences it in pretty much any thread he makes...

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

[AwesomeJr44]

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

I'm not defending the OP, in fact I've made it quite clear that I'm not endorsing or condemning it. But if this reaction towards Aveyond isn't hate, then why are similar reactions to bad things coming from the other side then classified as 'hate'? Why are the people calling out Lyth for her crap called 'haters' for doing so, but your group responding with an equal amount of vitriol to Aveyond suddenly just people who disagree?

I feel like I'm missing something, how does that make sense in this context?

I said that Aveyond would get similar comments to the ones from here if he made a thread where he said the sky was blue, as it's not about what he says, people just don't like him as a poster, Zanarkand responded with saying that he thought people wouldn't, and I said that he wouldn't, because he is a rational person unlike the people that would. Pretty easy to grasp.

[Kazhar]

I'm sorry, but when a man says women shouldn't have "unwarranted" confidence to begin with in a story, can only be sassy if they look like Bayonetta and is incensed that current demonic female characters are daring to not be sexy, all while continually tearing into Y'shtola because she supposedly isn't attractive enough to justify how she acts and complaining endlessly that the female charaters aren't stereotypically hot enough, the men are too weak and essentially that no one looks or behaves comfortably heterosexual enough for his tastes, were you genuinely expecting a nuanced, respectful response to this? It's like asking people to bring formal dinnerware to someone serving a flaming bag of excrement on their doorstep.

Getting a reaction anyone with common sense should rightfully expect when spouting subtly sexist and homophobic nonsense is neither "brigading" nor "hating." It's the same rhetoric every time, he just finds a new target for it.

I think it's a victimless crime in that case. We're talking about characters in the story, not how men and women should behave and exist in the real world. While I disagree on almost all of his views on the subject and find him unnecessarily close-minded, shouldn't he be allowed to have a preference to a particular archetype? People who better like conservative depictions of male and female characters aren't a threat to progressiveness in my opinion.