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    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    In exchange SGE has zero optimisations and is boring as hell to play, at least ED gives SCH players something to play around with
    we have phelgma and toxicon..so that does give something for sages to play around with lol. Sch is the most boring healer and is the only healer that is trash at big pulls. I can handle big pulls no problem with ast/whm or even sage , anytime i try big pull with sch its just a stress wipe mess , pre casting is boring and unfun i love instant things. least even spamming E diag can work better to keep tank up (well dark night) as really I dont need to press no heals on warrior and maybe only 1 to 2 heals on a pld/gnb. sage is actually awarded more for their ogc using compare to sch . sch has poor ways for mp regen, aether flow every 60 seconds or luci? mean while 5 of sages heals is giving 700mp back, which makes me press lucid dreaming very very less compared to the whm /sch(ast already is busted for always having near infinite mp so I cant count them in) and kerachole makes sacred soil a JOKE , kera itself is so busted that it with taro/druo is all or ixo is all it needs to handle any needing heals. meaning while too lastly sch with their joke pixie pets that locks sch out of their kit? who finds a job entertaining when your punished for using your pet and get lock out of most of your skills.
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    we have phelgma and toxicon..so that does give something for sages to play around with lol. Sch is the most boring healer and is the only healer that is trash at big pulls. I can handle big pulls no problem with ast/whm or even sage , anytime i try big pull with sch its just a stress wipe mess , pre casting is boring and unfun i love instant things. least even spamming E diag can work better to keep tank up (well dark night) as really I dont need to press no heals on warrior and maybe only 1 to 2 heals on a pld/gnb. sage is actually awarded more for their ogc using compare to sch . sch has poor ways for mp regen, aether flow every 60 seconds or luci? mean while 5 of sages heals is giving 700mp back, which makes me press lucid dreaming very very less compared to the whm /sch(ast already is busted for always having near infinite mp so I cant count them in) and kerachole makes sacred soil a JOKE , kera itself is so busted that it with taro/druo is all or ixo is all it needs to handle any needing heals. meaning while too lastly sch with their joke pixie pets that locks sch out of their kit? who finds a job entertaining when your punished for using your pet and get lock out of most of your skills.
    If you think SCH is trash at big pulls that may be more of a you issue than a SCH issue because SCH does not struggle at all with large pulls, and toxicon/phlegma barely count as optimisation tools, SGE’s skill ceiling basically amounts to “ABC”
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    we have phelgma and toxicon..so that does give something for sages to play around with lol. Sch is the most boring healer and is the only healer that is trash at big pulls. I can handle big pulls no problem with ast/whm or even sage , anytime i try big pull with sch its just a stress wipe mess , pre casting is boring and unfun i love instant things. least even spamming E diag can work better to keep tank up (well dark night) as really I dont need to press no heals on warrior and maybe only 1 to 2 heals on a pld/gnb. sage is actually awarded more for their ogc using compare to sch . sch has poor ways for mp regen, aether flow every 60 seconds or luci? mean while 5 of sages heals is giving 700mp back, which makes me press lucid dreaming very very less compared to the whm /sch(ast already is busted for always having near infinite mp so I cant count them in) and kerachole makes sacred soil a JOKE , kera itself is so busted that it with taro/druo is all or ixo is all it needs to handle any needing heals. meaning while too lastly sch with their joke pixie pets that locks sch out of their kit? who finds a job entertaining when your punished for using your pet and get lock out of most of your skills.
    SCH is weaker in terms of dps than SGE in dungeons because Phlegma and Toxikon fishing prepull outclasses the 10 higher potency on Art of War even if the SCH also uses AF on ED.

    And when it comes to healing/ mitigation they're very much on par.
    Where SGE would use Kera, Physis, Tauro, Haima, Panhaima and Krasis a SCH uses Soil, Whispering Dawn, Excog, Aetherpact, Seraph and Protraction. Soil is even 100 potency stronger than Kera since ground targets get an instant tick upon placing them. All in all, SGE and SCH are very similar for healing dungeon pulls and if you can do it on one you should be able to do it on the other because many buttons should even be on the exact same keybind since they function exactly the same. Pneuma and Expedient are the only skills that are noticeably different.

    Dissipation at the end of the pull for stronger precast Adlo + 3 free stacks isn't rocket science to use, you're not supposed to use it midpull. But even then, if you need to GCD heal spam then Dissipation heal buff alone easily offsets the lost Embrace casts in addition to giving you 3 stacks for healing.
    AF restores 20% at once, SGE 7% every 20s. So SCH is only 1% behind SGE per minute which is nowhere near "poor ways for mp regen". This sounds more like you just lack practice and haven't thought about proper keybinds yet because the class isn't the problem here.
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