AST (and DRG) had their improvements pushed to 7.0 PLD are getting theirs in 6.3

[T-Owl]

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Can you like just not immediately being so aggressive? You sound pretty toxic and hostil right now, just because I pointed out the reality of healing roles. Its really uncomfortable. Healing roles just by nature of how they are effectively utilized in this game, which has nothing to do with elitism or skill and basic knowledge, become easier as they progress in levels, because while in other games you utilize your generic casts more often and may hold some cds for emergencies, in this one you use your limited ogcd cooldowns for general healing purposes and use your generic healing casts for emergencies. By virtue of most aquired abilities from level 50 onwards being ogcd cooldowns, you get more and more ressources to prevent losing dps uptime. The healer kit growing just makes healers objectively easier, while for any other classes, they get harder by additions to their kit because their general pace increases with more ogcds and it is more cooldowns which they need to keep properly alligned and rolling, while healer get more material to fill the gaps between their pre-existing cooldowns, which makes it easier to not prematurely run out of ogcd heals.

I mean, outside of very few mechanics with very high and rapidly incoming damage which needs to be planned out, what is hard about healers? They have to perform mechanics while pressing one button, with almost all damage being predictable and unpredictable damage being rarely recoverable from, if happening in a row.

[Renathras]

Can you like just not immediately being so aggressive? You sound pretty toxic and hostil right now, just because I pointed out the reality of healing roles. Its really uncomfortable.

Can you like, not just immediately be so aggressive and rude? You sound pretty toxic and hostile right now, just because I pointed out you're not dealing in reality, you're trafficking in opinion. It's really uncomfortable.

Look, ceasefire/peace treaty/armistice?

All I'm saying is you AREN'T pointing out "reality". And no amount of times you SAYING so will make it true. You can say "reality" over and over again, you're still not talking about reality.

All I'm saying to you is what you are doing is talking abut your subjective opinion. You just want your subjective opinion to be objective reality because "____ is fact" has more weight with people than "I think ____". For my part, I'm fine with people having opinions, so I won't fault you for expressing them. I will fault you with insisting your opinions are facts when they are not. Fair? I've even explained why it's not fact to you as a courtesy already.

You having an opinion that healers are easy or boring or whatever is perfectly fine. It is your opinion, and opinions DO matter, but they also aren't facts. What this means is that they are not universal. Not everyone will hold that position, so healers should not be changed (or not ALL healers be changed) for that. See my longstanding position above about how we should leverage the fact (and it is a fact) that we have four healers (five if you count WAR) to encourage and enable different players' playstyles to have a place in the game.

It also doesn't help that your position is one which attacks the role and players in it, both unfairly and for no good reason. Doing so certainly doesn't help in the discussion, at the very least. Again, WAR is subjectively easier than SCH or AST. So is SMN. So is MCH. And some people might argue this is true of other Jobs/roles as well, but I'll stop with those since the cases largely speak for themselves.

Again, stop saying "reality" and "objectively" when what you are referring to is "opinion" and "subjectively" and I won't have any cause to contest you on it.

[T-Owl]

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Dude, you are literally gaslighting people instead of making arguments and call other people toxic. Sorry that I don't care about publicly calling out online abusers? No armistice, try self-improvement. But considering the fact that basically every single dedicated savage healer is telling you that healers played at a level were optimization matters are not fine and that the role is just not engaging or exciting the way it is designed right now when trying to optimize, I would say you prefer entitlement. Your entire argument after all is based aroudn the fact that you don't want healers to change because you consider having to perform a rotation that is more busy than pressing 1 too stressful and not rewarding, while somehow mental gymnasticing roles which have rotations that require more different buttons to be pressed to be easier. Thats trying to make people engage in doublethink, which again is an abuse tactic. Sorry, you are not the nice guy. Sorry, Healers are heavily flawed in this game. They lack distinct healing styles compared to any other mmo on the market outside of maybe some very oldschool ones and they get progressively easier and repepetetive due to getting more and more ogcd ressources which are, even in high end content, only situationally all required.