Bizarre burnout

[Atelier-Bagur]

This game will never be the same as it was during HW or SB when most of the classes had proper intricacies and depth and combat gameplay was on the forefront. Yoshi himself said that this is the way forward so either you bend over and take it or take your money elsewhere because the golden days aint coming back.

I doubt people back then weren't complaining just like how we are now. One thing I learned about online communities are that they never change and it's easy to get the nostalgic goggles when you stay long enough in a game.

[SturmChurro]

I doubt people back then weren't complaining just like how we are now. One thing I learned about online communities are that they never change and it's easy to get the nostalgic goggles when you stay long enough in a game.

The overall reception to the game actually was quite a bit different back then; more positive, of course there was still criticism towards different aspects in the game. The forum community has definitely changed over the years, and I am seeing less and less regulars from back then that are still around, though many of them have been banned. Many seem to have come to the forums more recently to give their takes on aspects of the story and the like,

[Lauront]

There are enough people who are totally fine with the boilerplate grey sludge of design that SE has no reason to change the direction for the game. So all you can really do is vote with your wallet, stop giving them money and most likely be replaced by a sprout immediately.

It's the trend I've seen in the EW Lucky Bancho data sets. We'll see if it keeps up.

[Hurlstone]

I feel burnout is unique to every player. Some people not seem to feel it, and others get very hard by it. I myself am likely building up to it a little, but stressful things are happening/coming up in real life so I am using FFXIV as a chill/escape point for as long as I can haha. Do not be afraid to take a brake, you are not giving up on the game if you do not log in for a few days, weeks or even months. Playing other games will help ease the burnout and it helps that unlike other games FFXIV lacks the big FOMO elements that other live service games insist on having nowadays. If you want to still play the game then it could help to do something new, for example a new combat roll (Such as Tank) or try levelling a gathering class. I myself am taking a bit of a levelling break and am now on a hunt to collect as many Triple Triad cards as the game will let me.

Avoiding the negativity of the forums will help too, and keeping in mind that despite the idea that FFXIV is different, every game has such environments and toxicity in their community. It may have gotten worse over the last few years sure, but I have never seen in my twenty plus years of MMO gaming which does not have its share of doomsayers and trolls. Plus whilst I do think Yoshi and the Devs are a bit better then most, they are human and not perfect either. They will be stubborn and mess up just like any other dev. Does not mean the game is going the way of WoW, or that there is no hope for the classes that people are disappointed in.

[SturmChurro]

It's the trend I've seen in the EW Lucky Bancho data sets. We'll see if it keeps up.

I haven't seen the data, but I always presumed that much of the new community that came with the streamer surge, would get to that point in the game where they would feel there is not much more they want to do, burnout, or leave when their streamer stopped playing. It definitely wouldn't last. EW launch hype definitely prolonged a lot of it. I'd like to hope SE will take more feedback to heart.

[Lauront]

I haven't seen the data, but I always presumed that much of the new community that came with the streamer surge, would get to that point in the game where they would feel there is not much more they want to do, burnout, or leave when their streamer stopped playing. It definitely wouldn't last. EW launch hype definitely prolonged a lot of it. I'd like to hope SE will take more feedback to heart.

Yeah, I'm very curious to see what is going to happen with it. From memory, a good chunk of them have still not fully completed EW as of the last data-set; I think he put the full clear at 660k for the last dataset, of the 1.3m or so. It's going to be a while to see where all the chips fall. The breakdown is here - you can run it through an auto-translator, or go here and access it in the EN version of the site. The latter site seems to have added the data from the new to the old survey so it's double-counting, more or less.

[OhNooo]

1. Stop reading all the doom and gloom social media crap. It's amazing how other peoples' opinions can sway our own even if we don't realize it.

To this point I just wanna say that as someone who started playing in StB, I didn’t even know the OF existed and wasn’t looking on social media about the game at all. I didn’t make a forum account or start looking at the game subreddit until after 5.0 - even so, I could feel the game change during Shb and I felt uncomfortable, but I still kept pushing hoping the game would get better. I took breaks, tried all sorts of different things in the game, but nothing worked. It got even worse for me in EW. The one thing that has kept me giving it another try time and time again is all that sunk cost fallacy - the hundreds of hours I’ve spent grinding deep dungeon solo.

To OP, just do what’s best for you. The devs obviously have a vision for the game that some of us just can’t get on board with. Waiting and hoping for them to fix things or leaving are pretty much the options we have. At some point, enough is enough.

[Vahlnir]

Short of taking a break, which I would still recommend regardless, it might not be a bad idea to try something you haven't done before. Test a new job that you haven't even considered. You might surprise yourself. Learn a boss fight and farm a mount, perhaps. When I start running out of things I want to do, I usually find something to farm. If that doesn't tide you over, I would suggest taking a break and playing a solo player game. A modded Skyrim playthrough can keep me busy for a while, but it obviously doesn't have to be that. Either way, do what is best for you. Burnout happens. It's inevitable.

[MonsutaMan]

FFXIV has become a game where all I can do is log in to turn in leves and wait for the day that SMN becomes even half the class that it was in FFXI, but my trust in job design/combat has reached such a low that it wouldn’t surprise me if the class somehow lost abilities coming into 7.0.

Diofield releases this week and I was able to pick up Octopath Traveler on PC for half off on steam. Unlike the people who will doubtless come in here trying to paint you as somehow in the wrong or recommend content that doesn’t appeal to battle oriented players, I’m not telling you to “go play something else” as I detest when people throw that in my face whenever I complain - I’m saying that there are a lot of better games than Endwalker that we should be playing especially with how far the standards of gameplay and writing have fallen here. Keep speaking out, and keep pointing out how other games are doing things better than FFXIV is right now.

I mean, I hear you guys.

Imagine coming from XI, and your favorite jobs were Blue Mage, Beastmaster, and Summoner.

Blue aint even a job, cant do ish (Not one person on the dev team spoke up and stated "Hey, lets use resources on something else instead of a job that cannot be part of the main game?")

BST isn't in the game

SMN is.........interesting.....(I Wanna be nice today)

I play alot of mmo; 90% of the time I am on a hunter pet class (You guys can kind of see why me and XIV have not been mixing). The job design of XIV is, and has always been...Interesting...... compared to other mmo. I decided to sub up, to check out the Island, but there is no way I can complete the game playing jobs I do not like....

I usually stay on the free trial, unless there is a campaign I like, expansion, or in this case, some new content which resembles BST. I am not one of those "I quit!!!!" people. I usually come back every now and then. I am honest about it.

I am like every other FFXI OG; waiting for XIV to do something which can pry me from XI......But it never has.

XIV is going through a honeymoon period. Like WoW, people will eventually see XIV for what it is. Close your eyes, strip away the FF IP......Now focus on the gameplay....XIV aint so amazing, is it? Streamers are what took the game to stardom.

For years, I could not fathom how people raved about that generic Blizzard MMO. Until, the honeymoon phase took its course and people eventually stripped away the Blizzard IP and seen the game for what it was........ an old, generic, dated mmo.

Gameplay always reign supreme. XIV is by no means generic like WoW, but the job/class system leaves alot to be desired by this XI/MMO vet. If they let BLU do Main Scenario, I would full-time XIV, and play it with a smile on my face. Ironic the only job I like in the MMO, cant do the gist of the MMO. Like a cruel joke.

Imo, just my opinion.....they need a new direction with the class/jobs, even if that means a new voice.

[Liam_Harper]

I doubt people back then weren't complaining just like how we are now. One thing I learned about online communities are that they never change and it's easy to get the nostalgic goggles when you stay long enough in a game.

I hear this so often but I have absolutely played games where their forums were mostly positive overall. It definitely is possible. Even though ff14 has always had some complaints, there was a point where most people would agree it was a great game. I took a break last patch and picked up some good single player games and their forums were night and day difference to here.

The problem is when a game has received negative feedback for long enough, people just start to assume that's normal. It's the opposite of nostalgia googles. We actually forget how good a game can be.

I play ff14 because it's the best MMO on the market, not because it's an amazing game and perfect. The MMO market is in a slump right now and recent competition has been poor quality. FF14 is riddled with flaws, but there just isn't anything better.