What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Raoabolic]

EW isn't Chrono Trigger though. It was somebody making a point about one aspect of EW's story with time travel apparently being so bad and comparing it to how Chrono Trigger handled it when I reality that game is just as guilty of the same "criticism" as the points given to why they think it's bad.

Of course EW isn't Chrono Trigger, people are still praising the story of CT. People were noticing plotholes in EW within a month. They are very different games, lmao.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Of course EW isn't Chrono Trigger, people are still praising the story of CT. People were noticing plotholes in EW within a month. They are very different games, lmao.

I love Chrono Trigger but I guarantee you if the game's story was presented in today's modern jaded views people would be picking it apart. It's so easy to say that people praise it when a lot of it happens to be old farts like myself looking back with nostalgic goggles.

Anyway I'm not trying to give excuse to EW story, I'm just having issues with the general loud audience whom are the same people whom overly analyze yet overly praise certain aspects of the game story. These same people that overhype Heavensward, crap on Stomblood and over sell Shadowbringers when they're not masterpieces they claim to be. Endwalker is no different yet the attitude given to it seems like it's just people shelling over their own strong opinions and have no clue how story writing works.

[Gararr]

The story of endwalker is bad and incompetent written. It focused on trying to do 'emotional' moments (Ultima thul) instead of trying to wrap up stort elements correctly.

Either the devs never knew how they were going to end it, or the lead writer was an idiot who had no idea what was intended by those who came before.

SE, instead of focusing on poorly written fake outs and edgie drama, make sure it makes sense first.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The story of endwalker is bad and incompetent written. It focused on trying to do 'emotional' moments (Ultima thul) instead of trying to wrap up stort elements correctly.

Either the devs never knew how they were going to end it, or the lead writer was an idiot who had no idea what was intended by those who came before.

SE, instead of focusing on poorly written fake outs and edgie drama, make sure it makes sense first.

Yeah because that was the whole focus of EW. Not everything else just Ultima Thule apparently.

[Aluja89]

Yeah because that was the whole focus of EW. Not everything else just Ultima Thule apparently.

Just because Gararr picked the most egregious one doesn't mean he exempted the other issues.

Personally, EW is the fall flat on the face moment for XIV.

[BRVV]

Yeah because that was the whole focus of EW. Not everything else just Ultima Thule apparently.

Reads like "just because the ending sucks..."

We also don't judge the WHOLE expansion. If you want that experience than read those 700 pages completely if you really want that

[Carin-Eri]

Reads like "just because the ending sucks..."

We also don't judge the WHOLE expansion. If you want that experience than read those 700 pages completely if you really want that

Agreed - usually, even those who hated it seem to admit that there were a few standout moments. The sequence with Matsya and the baby is usually one such example.

[Ameela]

The story of endwalker is bad and incompetent written. It focused on trying to do 'emotional' moments (Ultima thul) instead of trying to wrap up stort elements correctly.

Either the devs never knew how they were going to end it, or the lead writer was an idiot who had no idea what was intended by those who came before.

SE, instead of focusing on poorly written fake outs and edgie drama, make sure it makes sense first.

Irregardless of the quality of EW's writing I find this to be a terrible PoV.
EVERY story needs an emotional core first and foremost before everything else is put into place.
If you're just writing stuff with nothing to get across the audience will leave with no lasting impression and nothing to resonate with, literally just passionless drivel designed to be consumed and thrown out of your mind the moment you finish it.

[Absimiliard]

Much pretentiousness do I sense in this thread.

[RyuDragnier]

Irregardless of the quality of EW's writing I find this to be a terrible PoV.
EVERY story needs an emotional core first and foremost before everything else is put into place.
If you're just writing stuff with nothing to get across the audience will leave with no lasting impression and nothing to resonate with, literally just passionless drivel designed to be consumed and thrown out of your mind the moment you finish it.

Agreed. I feel the big problem here was how it was presented. It was the last zone, of course we knew they were copouts and how it was going to end. Had the script been written with us losing each Scion one by one after the Final Days started, somebody in Radz, somebody in Thavnair, somebody in Garlemald, Thancred's sacrifice, Estinien's sacrifice, and then culminating in losing the twins before the final walk, THAT would have made it hit even harder. Yes, them coming back would still be a bit of a cop out, but I think a lot of us would have accepted it a hell of a lot better.