What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[RyuDragnier]

I mean...if you try not to think too much about the logistics behind time travel then you can easily say that since Chrono Trigger also didn't try to delve too deep onto itself ( for the most part ).

But then Chrono Cross happened so not much argument can be had comparing FFXIV with Chrono Trigger.

You can't really compare Chrono Cross well to Chrono Trigger, considering that originally they wanted Cross to be a standalone title. A lot of the Trigger stuff is shoehorned in towards the end of the game instead of sprinkled throughout.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You can't really compare Chrono Cross well to Chrono Trigger, considering that originally they wanted Cross to be a standalone title. A lot of the Trigger stuff is shoehorned in towards the end of the game instead of sprinkled throughout.

Not really since Chrono Cross in of itself drives a lot of its own plot based on the events of Trigger and the world of Trigger.

[Cach]

Took quite a bit of searching to find a video telling like it is regarding how Ultima Thule's writing was abysmal, and it got me wishing people as articulated as Theodric, aveyond, Lauront, Vyrerus or Teraq would make videos criticizing what needs criticizing about FFXIV's writing.
Because it's incredibly hard to see any thumbnails that don't have people who need the views to make a living as creators with these predictable dramatic expressions in their thumbnails and yellow letters saying "BEST STORY EVER MADE" etc.

The only long-form video I remember watching that even resembles a critique was this one, it doesn't go too deep into story, and it feels outdated now (for obvious reasons) but it surprised me at the time.

I've flirted with the idea myself but decided not to for several reasons. Also, the thought of being reacted at by some twitch homunculus makes me sick somehow.

I would simply prefer if the feedback we posted here was taken into consideration without the need for such grand overtures to be necessary to get the feedback through to the dev team about what didn't work for Endwalker.

Agree 100%, but sadly the impression I got is that they mostly listen to video "influencers", unless I see evidence to the contrary.

[RyuDragnier]

Not really since Chrono Cross in of itself drives a lot of its own plot based on the events of Trigger and the world of Trigger.

Which again, we find out at the end of Cross, meaning it's shoehorned in.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Which again, we find out at the end of Cross, meaning it's shoehorned in.

No it's not, that stuff is sprinkled in right there from the beginning. Don't you remember the whole business with Porre in Termina? The corruption of the Masamune? Belthasar at Viper Manor? They didn't shoehorned Trigger into Cross, they based the plot around it from the start. I'm sure the case that it wasn't like that during early phases of its development but it's foolish to think making the game part of the Trigger universe was like a last second addition.


Besides my whole argument was me saying that Trigger's time travel plot wasn't as well founded as many people think it was if we're going to start comparing EW's time travel ideas with Trigger.


Bottom line is no matter what time travel in of itself is always a mess to try to implement and it's almost futile to try to dissect it's format.

[Lucida3b]

I feel like one problem with time travel, is that when it becomes a big plot point in a series without time travel heavy elements.

Even then it varies, but i feel they made the big mistake of having multiple time travel methods along with time travel element now hanging over every previous plot point with venat knowing all was going to happen. it takes away agency from everyone else for big crystal waifu.



On another note, read the new short story, i skipped the hermes one because the watcher one put a sour taste in my mouth, i dont mind this garlemald one, its mostly solemn and about picking up the ashes after it all.

[Ameela]

For me Endwalker's story was ok, it had really good moments but ultimately I feel like the pacing is probably the worst out of any expansion, especially after Shadowbringers where everything was so tight and it never felt like a second was wasted.
Though that could also be because ShB was way more driven by characters and their development than EW.

[Pyro2hell3]

the plot of endwalkers is basically some guy lit the world on fire go put it out. then we learn a bunch of idiots lit the world a really really long time ago and instead of solving installed sprinkler system called Zodiark. So we have to go fix that. By ummm fighting some depressed bird girl in some sorta fever dream made reality called Ultima Thule.(or everybody just did aloooooot of drugs offscreen)and while doing all of this we 're constantly being interrupted b-*Zenos bursts into the room*"FIGHT ME!!" damn it not now I'm busy!

[Raoabolic]

*EW is so bad that people are throwing Chrono Trigger under the bus to justify EW's story*
What a sad state of affairs... :^(

[Atelier-Bagur]

*EW is so bad that people are throwing Chrono Trigger under the bus to justify EW's story*
What a sad state of affairs... :^(

EW isn't Chrono Trigger though. It was somebody making a point about one aspect of EW's story with time travel apparently being so bad and comparing it to how Chrono Trigger handled it when I reality that game is just as guilty of the same "criticism" as the points given to why they think it's bad.