How SE is alienating talented players

[LittleLala]

we are also trying to make our own strategy and not follow youtube videos from start to finish like alot of other groups have seemed to do.

I had to lol; "I'd rather spend hours coming to the same conclusion people who've posted vids on youtube have" If I was handicapped with a slow dungeon-attempting LS you seem to have (2 hours ever other night) I would not be wasting time trying to come up with my own strat, leave it to those LS' that can afford to - then watch their vid (lol)

[cha0sking]

I say that being "elite" is a stupid title, when you run a dungeon 25-30 times. I'd rather do a couple of runs, go do something else. Plus, being the "elite" you are, just enjoy the game and not suck the effing life out of it. Being "elite" in an MMO means you understand its mechanics, thus succumb to its downfalls when there is no other solution. I'd rather them making the drop rate low for returning members than having "elites" camp the eff out of a dungeon. I say f*** "elites" for camping dungeons, and break their hearts SE. Not being a troll, but the condescending "elite" blew my fuse.

[darkstarpoet1]

I had to lol; "I'd rather spend hours coming to the same conclusion people who've posted vids on youtube have" If I was handicapped with a slow dungeon-attempting LS you seem to have (2 hours ever other night) I would not be wasting time trying to come up with my own strat, leave it to those LS' that can afford to - then watch their vid (lol)

i'm not saying we haven't watched the videos. what i am saying is that we are not following them step by step. i've already seen parties that are only allowing members in that meet the job setup of those videos. we are not going to tell a member they can't join because they don't have x job maxed even if that job is less than efficient they do have.

we ran super hard on ifrit, but not going to burn ourselves out like that on the dungeons as well. besides we have found a few job setups that have allowed us to beat both of the bosses in av as fast as any of the speed run videos we have found. coincounter downed in 2:11 for example. we just haven't taken the time to setup for the speed run through the dungeon itself.

you can follow every video you want and be a sheep and follow in their footsteps if you want, but doing things exactly like someone else does takes away from that sense of accomplishment for me. i've already seen things mentioned in here about these dungeons and are taken as fact because of who stated it, but after testing can verify that it's not true. we are willing to test stuff, but we also keep an open mind for other options.

edit: as far as being handicapped we did that ourselves. we ran ifrit 5-6 hours every night with the same static group of 8 people and found our own strategy. it felt so much better when we beat it ourselves only a few days after the groups that ran rotation groups in and out 24 hours a day. we just didn't want to make the same mistakes this time.

[tachi]

The dungeons are very very easy, whats not easy is learning how to do them correctly. There are many tricks to make them very easy, and the boss's even easier the hard part is getting everyone on the same page and getting it done. Learning the tricks is to me the fun part and the hard part. After you have a winning strat that gets you 5 chests then its just execution. I'm just glad we have a much higher requirement on execution in order to get a 5/5 run. If you get lazy even for a minute its easy for things to get out of hand and wipe.

[Yellowbluebus]

Hello,

I sympathize with your frustration, and I can understand it to some extent. But would like to draw out the following points:

1) You are killing your own fun. Any activity, no matter how fun, if done to excess, will become unfun. I love cookiees, but if I eat 1000/day, I won't so much. To retain the 'fun' do not kill the 'fun' by excess.
2) As you have shown, there is no benefit from doing it 5 times a night, versus 30 times a night. Unless you are on a timeline (where you HAVE to get the Darklight gear before 1.22 or you will be eaten by Gobbuee), then I have to ask what's the hurry?
3) You are correct, I do not see the need to wait 15 minutes to re-enter IF you complete the whole dungeon. It makese sense for non-completion (to prevent farming the first chest for example). Reducing to 5 minutes should be plenty (and good time for organized 'breaks').

Although the gear is lovely and pretty, *I* believe it is nothing to be obsessed over, or to cause frustration over. Also, I believe the gear is MEANT to be very hard (and annoying) to get so as to help their exclusivitiy. It is 'nice' to have something that is so rare and exclusive that if anyone sees you with it, they will be shocked and amazed. Perhaps this is one of those items?

In the mean time, may I humbly suggest the following:
Do the DH/DH2/CC runs because you enjoy them.
If you get a prize at the end, yaaay, be happy.
If not, no biggy, you had some time out with friends.

you've said everything I wanted to say about this. I also think of salvage with these as well... for those who know that pain. Salvage was very difficult but you just had to think about it as hanging out with your friends for an hour and a half. Expecting drops isn't going to get you anything but misery. However when things do come out of it, you're known for it. Oh, that guy has an ares curiass ><;;; you know that person worked hard for the gear that they're wearing, and they get a certain amount of respect. If gear dropped like a gumball machine, there wouldn't be any point.

[Dragon]

Like others, I don't get the point of catering to speed runs myself either as it seems counterintuitive to the point of how dungeons are meant to be implemented in the first place. They should instead design dungeons around multiple goals that actually take advantage of the many enemies such dungeons contain.

[Jeffdogg]

Elite people don't call themselves elite, they do what they do, nuff said..
And they for sure don't complain. Any elite player has more then 1 MMO they frequent on a daily basis.
Yes something with this picture is wrong, theres a wanna be trying to sound pro when they are not in hopes or getting what they want. Thats whats going on here, good day..

Oh yeah almost forgot this is where you go on about my level and duh duh duh cause you think your leet but your not. Just cause im low level doesn't mean that I didn't delete my previous toon(s) for a new adventure....

[Lux_Rayna]

This is not a QQ post, more of a ZZZ post.

It basically was a QQ post lol. Let me tell you something, just because you are good at something doesn't mean you're entitled to more of a reward. Sure it'd be nice to get something, and in many cases you do get a small bonus, but its definitely not an entitlement. The problem with "elite" players/LSes is that they feel they are entitled to things they are not. This post is basically one example, thats why elitism always cracks me up.

The goal of the dungeon is to beat it, in which case you are rewarded for your efforts. That is it. Anything above and beyond simply beating the dungeon (ie a speed run) is called "overachieving," which allows you to have bragging rights, save some time, and maybe get an achievement or some awesome little title; in this case you get a speed run chest AND an achievement (woot). You got your reward for being elite, the "extra" that normal achievers dont get, so you've been both recognized and rewarded.

I fail to see why you still feel entitled. You get a speed run chest, so what more do you want? You can do far more runs per hour than ppl who can't do speed runs. You get the achievement. You're asking for way too much for simply being able to do a speed run. Sorry about your luck but I think you're going too far with your requests.

[Akumu]

The reason these dungeons don't have long lockouts because they are not the "raids" some are assuming they are. This game doesn't have any real endgame content yet. This is just content we can do at the current cap. I see primal fights to be the same as they were in Final Fantasy XI. The dungeons are also like the open ones in XI just instanced. '

This game doesn't have endgame raids yet.

[Rjain]

I went for a walk just now and I noticed an odd smell. Turns out it was all the douche that's in this thread.

I don't know which side is worse... the side that thinks they're elite for doing speed runs or the side that hates speed runs when it's part of the game's design (you have to do speed runs to get certain gear and achievements).

Not even sure what to say. Some improvements need to be made to drop rates, but the posts in this thread took me by surprise by how silly they are.

WAIT!

I forgot I'm on the Final Fantasy XIV forums. No surprise here.