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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Dude...let people spend their money the way they want. It's priced that way cause people buy it. If people didn't...you'd see a cut in price damn near instantly.

    I don't like the prices and I think it's dumb too but I'm not about telling people how they should spend their money. If they want to do it...they ARE going to do it...and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

    Relax man.
    I know, I'm not policing anyone. There are people spending a hundred dollars on a house back on ESO and I've never said anything to them. Zenimax is selling overpriced shit, so I went after them, not that it made any difference. Now, if people decided to say it's fair, then yes, I'd argue it's not, but not because I'm strictly against cash shops. Hell, I bought a bunch of costumes off them, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
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    It's a virtual product with a set price that you CANNOT influence by offering more of the same. Square has complete and absolute control over it, so they can set whatever price they want just being careful to not completely extrapolate it. It's a unique item only available here, to people who play the live service game which has the objective of CONSTANTLY finding new players, when it's not on life support. Never will "everyone" have such item. It's even limited to a single character per purchase, not your account, and since, again, Square has complete control over it, it cannot break (unless they're utterly stupid). They can just use basic strategies like fomo. And no, it has no risk. The time and money that goes into making cosmetics is minimal and the profit is humongous. There are some videos of (valve?) employees talking about how little goes into making such items and how they're constantly making huge piles of cash. A risk is what Square took making that shitty Avengers game, which fell on their face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anura View Post
    I know, I'm not policing anyone. There are people spending a hundred dollars on a house back on ESO and I've never said anything to them. Zenimax is selling overpriced shit, so I went after them, not that it made any difference. Now, if people decided to say it's fair, then yes, I'd argue it's not, but not because I'm strictly against cash shops. Hell, I bought a bunch of costumes off them, after all.
    If you wanna debate fair prices...take it with the dev or Mogstation team then. Not us. You are changing no minds here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    If you wanna debate fair prices...take it with the dev or Mogstation team then. Not us. You are changing no minds here.
    *reads the third line of your signature*
    "But given time, horror fades, and repetition makes what was unthinkable now normal; the monstrous is made manageable. For mankind adapts to every horror."
    You are right, everyone is free to spend their money however they like. I think loot boxes got a bad rap as well~! :^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    *reads the third line of your signature*
    "But given time, horror fades, and repetition makes what was unthinkable now normal; the monstrous is made manageable. For mankind adapts to every horror."
    You are right, everyone is free to spend their money however they like. I think loot boxes got a bad rap as well~! :^)
    Well people do still buy them. Look at every Fifa game ever. It's still a thing and very profitable.

    Diablo Immortal too. Nothing but seething hatred people had for it and it made millions. Still does. Monthly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Well people do still buy them. Look at every Fifa game ever. It's still a thing and very profitable.

    Diablo Immortal too. Nothing but seething hatred people had for it and it made millions. Still does. Monthly.
    So it's okay if you can trick the population into accepting it? It worked for EA for a while, let's see if SE can beat the high score~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    So it's okay if you can trick the population into accepting it? It worked for EA for a while, let's see if SE can beat the high score~!
    I know when I'm arguing with a wall. And I won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    I know when I'm arguing with a wall. And I won't.
    Well, your argument was that if people are willing to spend an substantial amount of money compared to the price of the base product then there is no issue while my argument was that this mindset was not the norm but a result of large companies using underhanded practices to coerce people into spending money they normally would not. I was double checking to see if your argument was that this should be allowed because it's accepted? Many things that were accepted are now looked down on so your stance seems backwards. I don't see what's so hard to figure out but considering you just went "ur a wall" I doubt you can explain why selling a virtual item for a third of the base game's price is acceptable, lmao.
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    Yet that is no excuse.
    should we let the few that either do not have controll of their faculties for various reasons.
    or those who have either way more than the majority[who are willing to spend] or the few who don't have anything but still spend. Dictate what happens to the companies.
    No, we should not.

    The question of whether they spend or not doesn't matter. they will spend no matter what.
    [just like some spend on retainers when the devs should do better, and demand better on some things. -I have multiple- but would still ask]

    And no one is asking them to stop either.
    unless it's those clearly anti-consumer games/media<a few you mentioned> actually meant to be negative.

    This is Simply[cut and dry/clean] wanting a better shop, to then spend more in said shop.

    if anyone thinks SE, or any company would experience less profits due to these or any changes. doesn't understand how people are waiting.
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