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    Player SentioftheHoukai's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    What has Senti actually said about them other than "it is known"? Or does having an edgy signature and posting anime girl reaction images strengthen your credibility on the internet?

    The Garlean Empire was designed by the makers of the game to be bad guys. Does that mean they're biased against their own creation?

    You play as the "Warrior of Light" and fight against masked soldiers with strong fascist aesthetic, led by those who personally kill their own officers and order their army to shoot giant fantasy cannons at their own troops/bases, and who were set up by a literal shadowy figure with the specific goal to end the world. Are we supposed to tiptoe around words like "antagonist" or "villain" or "sins" because it might upset people from a fictional empire in a video game?
    Considering how this whole argument started out of a concern of retaliation against civilians who'd committed no "fascist actions" and soldiers press-ganged into service against their will and indoctrinated from birth after their nations having been conquered, I fail to see how this angle of attack is warranted. Obi-Wan called, Mikko. He wants the moral high ground back. Also, we know it threw you off the last time you tried to stand on it.

    Additionally, the Fora Knights take up the Telophoroi's mantle and cause the very moment Venat gets called a "villain" or "antagonist" so I honestly struggle to see where this sudden chastisement is coming from. Or it's worth.

    As for me, I will NEVER take accusations of fascism, antagonism, and villainization of my favoured factions seriously so long as the Fora Knights fail to uphold their knightly obligations and slander their favoured factions by considering them above reproach. To use another Star Wars quote:

    "From my point of view, the Scions and the Warrior of Light/the Eorzean Alliance/Hydaelyn and her sycophantic mongrel hounds are evil!"

    Edit: It occurs to me I've failed to articulate this. The "bias" the source has is the same as this forum's worst offenders. The usual anti-Ascian, anti-Garlean, and anti-Ancient derangement so many are afflicted by, and the accompanying incapability to hold the "good guys" to the same ethical standards. This frankly goes double for the Menagerie, since they have yet to update for the revelations capstoned in 6.0. It is highly suspect that if and when it DOES, that the omniprescient bias will only warp to become ever stronger and more deluded. A betrayal of ideals, just like so many on here who were once so fervent in their beliefs that villainy could NEVER be justified through mass slaughter.

    If such delusions were present in the Menagerie now, I truly don't expect the pre-established tangent to suddenly veto and change post-Endwalker. That's not the way this fandom's rigid, conservational pattern of rational thought WORKS.

    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    No, Senti's credibility comes from 1) previous discussions I've been in with Senti where they were very knowledgeable, and 2) their statements match up with what I'm seeing on that site. As for you, I don't know you that well and I haven't really seen many knowledgeable things come from you, not to mention what you've been saying is not only not supported but countered from what I'm seeing on that site, so I don't trust you over Senti. I'm not reading that text wall so I'm just going to have to trust one of you on the matter.. Senti might be wrong but I'll take a chance on them over you /shrug.
    To be fair to all involved in this rapidly rising onerous debate, I have been wrong in the past. Many times, in fact. The generally accepted behaviour on these forums is to double down and be stubbornly assured of one's own righteousness. This is something I cannot countenance, and an action I refuse to partake of. Far more wise, to admit one's own wrongdoing and MOVE ON. Or..... agree to disagree.



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    Last edited by SentioftheHoukai; 09-17-2022 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Edit. Grammar and punctuation demand no less.