RDM underperforming by the way of neglect

[remiff]

Yes caster damage shouldn't be more than 5% difference, machinist should also be +- at the same DPS level,
or they should give him back synergy, bard should have a little bit more personal damage to compete with the dancer who is currently super strong due to his synergy with melee DPS,
the black mage also needs a very slight buff, even if he is good, he shouldn't be behind some melee DPS.

[Foinhas]

Right now the P8S fight is just toxic on casters. It's not just RDM underperforming. I personally feel SMN is also underperforming. Overall, they need to fix casters in general. It's just unacceptable that melee DPS have 10% more DPS than casters. BLM is likely to lack behind because movement is actually a pain this tier and I feel SMN is better only because movement is a thing.

I just find it obnoxious and unacceptable that both SMN and RDM are doing significantly worst DPS because of the "res tax" when my static is literally telling me to use swiftcast on DPS to beat the door boss enrage timer.

But the bigger picture is that Endwalker is the worst expansion in term of balance. RPRs are behind melees. MCH is just dead and do worst than other ranged phys. SMN/RDM get spots because in prog they have res. That'll be quickly removed on speed clears because BLM is still better. WAR/PLD are just really sad right now. But it's fine; lets tweak Samurai and invest all the time on DRG rework that we didn't put because they didn't consider the community would be really angry about removing Kaiten. Completely ignoring more basic and urgent issues.

If SE didn't forced having a caster and phys ranged, we'd run quad melee comps :<

Don't worry. When tome gear starts to kick in, you'll see 3 meele + dnc/brd on party finder

[meaningtilt]

gee whiz, I sure love playing better than ~90% of RDMs in P6S and doing less damage than a melee in my group without tome weapon who died :)

this is incredibly frustrating, especially in a raid tier where the only jobs that have to seriously think about uptime are the healers, RDM, and BLM. I didn't ask for the dumb barrier. if it's gonna make us do less than DNC, take it away. I don't want it if it means I can't do my role's actual job of doing DPS and get locked from PFs.

[Supersnow845]

gee whiz, I sure love playing better than ~90% of RDMs in P6S and doing less damage than a melee in my group without tome weapon who died

this is incredibly frustrating, especially in a raid tier where the only jobs that have to seriously think about uptime are the healers, RDM, and BLM. I didn't ask for the dumb barrier. if it's gonna make us do less than DNC, take it away. I don't want it if it means I can't do my role's actual job of doing DPS and get locked from PFs.

Seriously verse was the last tier when RDM BLM and the healers weren’t the only ones actually punished with uptime optimisation yet balance always seems to be “think of the poor melees”

Whatever change dumped healers way back behind tanks also annoys me but that’s a different discussion

[Mortex]

Right now the P8S fight is just toxic on casters. It's not just RDM underperforming. I personally feel SMN is also underperforming. Overall, they need to fix casters in general. It's just unacceptable that melee DPS have 10% more DPS than casters. BLM is likely to lack behind because movement is actually a pain this tier and I feel SMN is better only because movement is a thing.

I just find it obnoxious and unacceptable that both SMN and RDM are doing significantly worst DPS because of the "res tax" when my static is literally telling me to use swiftcast on DPS to beat the door boss enrage timer.

But the bigger picture is that Endwalker is the worst expansion in term of balance. RPRs are behind melees. MCH is just dead and do worst than other ranged phys. SMN/RDM get spots because in prog they have res. That'll be quickly removed on speed clears because BLM is still better. WAR/PLD are just really sad right now. But it's fine; lets tweak Samurai and invest all the time on DRG rework that we didn't put because they didn't consider the community would be really angry about removing Kaiten. Completely ignoring more basic and urgent issues.

If SE didn't forced having a caster and phys ranged, we'd run quad melee comps :<

Kaiten is still removed. The job deals dmg but still feels pretty dead in comparison too before. And like you said job balancing in this expansion is utter garbage. P8s door boss just emphasized on this with a super tight dps check, we’re if you don’t bring anything but a 2/1/1 comp you effectively sandbag the group. Like we tried 1/2/1 and couldn’t do the dps check with a war in the group because of this (so he swapped to gnb and effectively we did it no problem even with a dmg down on sage)

[Aikaal]

Kaiten is still removed. The job deals dmg but still feels pretty dead in comparison too before. And like you said job balancing in this expansion is utter garbage. P8s door boss just emphasized on this with a super tight dps check, we’re if you don’t bring anything but a 2/1/1 comp you effectively sandbag the group. Like we tried 1/2/1 and couldn’t do the dps check with a war in the group because of this (so he swapped to gnb and effectively we did it no problem even with a dmg down on sage)

Yup, you bring 2 melee DPS now. TPS went with double Casters and they got wrecked on the DPS check. Pretty sure its the last tier this expansion Sfia is going Black Mage.

Funny enough, the only time there would be melee downtime is during Car 2 and they've made the boss invulnerable Because everyone should lose uptime if melee lose uptime.

[Mortex]

Yup, you bring 2 melee DPS now. TPS went with double Casters and they got wrecked on the DPS check. Pretty sure its the last tier this expansion Sfia is going Black Mage.

Funny enough, the only time there would be melee downtime is during Car 2 and they've made the boss invulnerable Because everyone should lose uptime if melee lose uptime.

Big brain boss design. Make ranged dps have way less dmg then meeles and make the only good phase we’re ranged could shine a no uptime mechanic

[Aikaal]

Big brain boss design. Make ranged dps have way less dmg then meeles and make the only good phase we’re ranged could shine a no uptime mechanic

It's just. They changed the fight designs to prevent melee downtime without compensating Casters and Ranged Physical DPS. It's the same bs as when they took piercing debuff away and never compensated Ranged Physical.

[momokami]

Ok so what's the margin? What's the difference in damage % between the casters?

[GeraldW]

I'm at the point where I would unironically delete verraise for 10 potency on jolt, that's how bad it's gotten