We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[Tsiron]

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I mean, it sounds to me like you're talking about AF gear more than you are Role gear... To go with your example, Striking gear is predominantly cloth, so in that regard would it really be that out of place on a WHM? What about the couple of heavily armoured Healer sets, how do those fit in the equation?

I think whether something does or doesn't fit the lore should be left to every player's discretion, ultimately... and it already is, just look at all the characters running around in modern clothes or swimwear or etc. instead of the gear made for their respective Jobs lmao. At this point I really don't think there's any harm in giving players that much more freedom

[SillyCrow]

I feel that making gear and glamour accessible to every race/job would take away from the lore associated with why they're restricted in the first place.

For instance, imagine level 1 auri tribal vestments on a hyur. Does that hyur have connections to auri culture or something? Or MNK garbs on a WHM. Are you saying that WHM would deign do anything else other than spam Glare?

Point is, gear is restricted either because their design is conductive to a role's many functions or because there're lore/cultural reasons for it. The only exception I'd make would be towards hempen undergarment gear.

If they already have those items fit all the races and genders models, why limit it?

Just add a weaver crafting recipe in the game and you have no excuse anymore. You can just say they liked the race's design and adapted it.

[-Magnai-]

I second this idea! Imagine all the new amazing outfits we could create with those restrictions lifted ^-^

[Petite]

I mean, it sounds to me like you're talking about AF gear more than you are Role gear...

I'm not just talking about AF gear. Non-AF gear, for the most part, is usually tailored fit each job role's theme.

For example, Maiming gear is usually bulkier than the lighter Striking gear. Slight differences, I know but it fits their functions. But then imagine healers running around in full plate gear. Yes there are exceptions like the PvP set, but that's already an example too many.

Just add a weaver crafting recipe in the game and you have no excuse anymore. You can just say they liked the race's design and adapted it.

Careful. Some white savior complex weirdo might call you out for cultural appropriation.

[Lihtleita]

I'm not just talking about AF gear. Non-AF gear, for the most part, is usually tailored fit each job role's theme.

if that were true we wouldnt have roles being swapped around when recolours of gear come out
we have healing sets given to striking, fending sets given to aiming and everything else under the sun. not to mention certain jobs within the same roles just do not share aesthetic sensibilities.

[Siddiax]

I'm not just talking about AF gear. Non-AF gear, for the most part, is usually tailored fit each job role's theme.

That's not true and hasn't been probably since ARR. There's also conflicting aesthetics between jobs in one role. From the main post: "We've got GNB, who wears much lighter armor compared to the other tanks heavier gear and DNC, who has nothing in common with MCH. There's RPR sharing gear with DRG, despite the latter usually getting heavy plate sets. Even SGE's gear is vastly different from the WHM/AST robes. Imagine how bad it'll be in 2 expansions."

For example, Maiming gear is usually bulkier than the lighter Striking gear. Slight differences, I know but it fits their functions.

For the past few expansions "usually" has turned into "sometimes". Those "slight differences" and the way they pick which sets to share the same look is also pretty much random. Just take a look at the sets in Eorzea Collection - SE clearly do not uphold the style/weight/etc. as they did before.

But then imagine healers running around in full plate gear. Yes there are exceptions like the PvP set, but that's already an example too many.

Now this is a straw man argument I'm really tired of. Everybody against the removal of the restrictions loves to bring up the "but imagine if healers wore plate armor". Not only does it entirely ignore the single pieces argument (ie. using a different role's gloves/boots etc.) but there's already a ton of lvl 1 all-class gear that everyone can wear and plenty of gear like the Archfiend set (there's also actual plate healer sets)

Lastly, do you realise that right now, you can glamour yourself fully naked on every single job ? Still, even when people have the choice to do it - pretty much nobody does because more freedom does not equal total anarchy/lack of sense.

[ty_taurus]

I'm not just talking about AF gear. Non-AF gear, for the most part, is usually tailored fit each job role's theme.

For example, Maiming gear is usually bulkier than the lighter Striking gear. Slight differences, I know but it fits their functions. But then imagine healers running around in full plate gear. Yes there are exceptions like the PvP set, but that's already an example too many.



Careful. Some white savior complex weirdo might call you out for cultural appropriation.

I have a simple solution for you. If you are playing your Scholar, and you don't want to wear plated armor, have you ever thought of not wearing plated armor? The only person's glamour you should be concerned about is your own.

[ASkellington]

I'm not just talking about AF gear. Non-AF gear, for the most part, is usually tailored fit each job role's theme.

I'mnma stop you right here.

Caster/Healer gear is usually Black/White respectively. Why? Because BLM/WHM. Healer gear has been over bloated with white robes for years. And not all of the gear 1. dyes and 2. dyes the white out.

Being a healer =/= purity. It is just as gritty a job as being a tank or dps. I don't agree with healer gear being white. Period. And I think white robes for healers should be BANNED as color for an entire expansion outside of WHM's artifact gear that's how much I'm sick of it.

For Caster? RDM is stuck with robes. When it also goes into meleee. And as said before, the gear is usually black. Because black mage. Not all casters are doom and gloom either. HEALERS are technically CASTERS. What they do isn't doom and gloomy. (and only half of RDM's is - the black magic).

Also

Now this is a straw man argument I'm really tired of. Everybody against the removal of the restrictions loves to bring up the "but imagine if healers wore plate armor". Not only does it entirely ignore the single pieces argument (ie. using a different role's gloves/boots etc.) but there's already a ton of lvl 1 all-class gear that everyone can wear and plenty of gear like the Archfiend set (there's also actual plate healer sets)

That bolded line right there. There are plenty of pieces from other gear sets that I want to use on my legs/arms/feet but cannot because they are role restricted for 0 reason.

BY THEMSELVES, they can easily fit the idea of "healer's shouldn't wear plate".

Also, there is more than just plate armor in the game. There is leather armor, that I can't wear. There is chainmail armor I can't wear. There is CLOTH ARMOR I can't wear be I healer, tank or melee dps.

This argument of "what a class/role should wear" needs to die and burn. The only place it would REALLY MATTER is pvp and the enemies' class name is above their head.

[ty_taurus]

That bolded line right there. There are plenty of pieces from other gear sets that I want to use on my legs/arms/feet but cannot because they are role restricted for 0 reason.

BY THEMSELVES, they can easily fit the idea of "healer's shouldn't wear plate".

Also, there is more than just plate armor in the game. There is leather armor, that I can't wear. There is chainmail armor I can't wear. There is CLOTH ARMOR I can't wear be I healer, tank or melee dps.

This argument of "what a class/role should wear" needs to die and burn. The only place it would REALLY MATTER is pvp and the enemies' class name is above their head.

I want to see someone new to FFXIV take a gander at each role decked out in their respective Shisui sets, and identify what role each player is in with 100% accuracy. Go on, I'll wait.

Or what about the YorHa sets? A yes, shorts and knee high socks. A healer could NEVER. Is that a slightly wider collar on an otherwise identical jacket. DRAGOONS AND REAPERS ONLY. NO MONKS OR SAMAURI ALLOWED. Not to mention the female Type-51 Fending and Healing sets are identical. A tank and healer both wear exactly the same thing. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I almost didn't notice the tiny cap that's clearly a healer cap. If a tank wore that cap, it would siphon their memory of tank stance away and feed it to an alien parasite I guess.

[ASkellington]

I want to see someone new to FFXIV take a gander at each role decked out in their respective Shisui sets, and identify what role each player is in with 100% accuracy. Go on, I'll wait.

Or what about the YorHa sets? A yes, shorts and knee high socks. A healer could NEVER. Is that a slightly wider collar on an otherwise identical jacket. DRAGOONS AND REAPERS ONLY. NO MONKS OR SAMAURI ALLOWED. Not to mention the female Type-51 Fending and Healing sets are identical. A tank and healer both wear exactly the same thing. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I almost didn't notice the tiny cap that's clearly a healer cap. If a tank wore that cap, it would siphon their memory of tank stance away and feed it to an alien parasite I guess.

To add on to this, cause you reminded me, they have given sets to other roles.

The Star Himation set of Caster/Healer? Yeah that was given to Aiming and... Was it Striking? I think it was Striking.

Anyroad, if NPCS can wear what they want because it fits them (iirc there is a certain Bozja NPC Healer who wears the TANKING TOP FROM FRICKIN GHIMLYT) then Twelvesdammit so should WE!