SoS Normal, why the mandatory active time event?

[Dzian]

I disagree. The game should have more (not very difficult) mechanics that simply do not allow the player to clear until it's done correctly. It's ok to wipe when learning. Vote abandon is always an option if someone is trolling.

I get the sentiment but at least if it only killed the folks who failed it you'd know who failed it so you could kick them.. they can't get there clear if they get kicked.. if its going to wipe everyone then it really needs to highlight who failed so they can be removed if they fail repeatedly instead of continuing to waste everyone else's time...

The failing players will kick off no matter what happens. If they git kicked for failing they'll complain. If the group falls apart because they're failing. they'll complain. And blame anything except themselves... game needs a giant flashing arrow that says "you fkd up!"

Even if it means it'd pop over my head a few times because I can make some dumb mistakes.

[Iyrnthota]

I get the sentiment but at least if it only killed the folks who failed it you'd know who failed it so you could kick them.. they can't get there clear if they get kicked.. if its going to wipe everyone then it really needs to highlight who failed so they can be removed if they fail repeatedly instead of continuing to waste everyone else's time...

The failing players will kick off no matter what happens. If they git kicked for failing they'll complain. If the group falls apart because they're failing. they'll complain. And blame anything except themselves... game needs a giant flashing arrow that says "you fkd up!"

Even if it means it'd pop over my head a few times because I can make some dumb mistakes.

They'd never do that for the same reason they don't want parsing, cause it can be used to bully players.
The obvious solution is just to make it so it's like Shinryu or Hades, where if you fail, you die, and everyone else is fine. Which honestly is kinda what you're asking for, except the giant flashing arrow is instead just death.

I imagine the reason it isn't like that is for some kind of story/thematic element, which I'm sure sounded great in theory, but in reality just turns every 10th run into an exercise in frustration.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

They'd never do that for the same reason they don't want parsing, cause it can be used to bully players.
The obvious solution is just to make it so it's like Shinryu or Hades, where if you fail, you die, and everyone else is fine. Which honestly is kinda what you're asking for, except the giant flashing arrow is instead just death.

While I agree that it should be changed to just a single player kill rather than a group wipe, your reasoning is bad logic.

Otherwise, they'd never make any mechanic where you can quite clearly see a player killing you with. You think a party isn't going to put a person on speaker if someone brings that AoE into a stack marker? Or even later in the fight, when the GA-100 marker goes out along with the stack marker and its extremely evident who its on? Or the party bullying the tanks if one of them presses the LB3 incorrectly and wipe to the following attack? In all those situations you don't even need a giant flashing arrow to know exactly who screwed up and can put the lights on for wiping the group. Highlighting who messed up would be no different than any other mechanic that causes a person to kill the whole party with.

[Bsrking5]

Instead of votekicking, maybe explain to that person how it works?

A lot of PC players assume the button in the middle of the screen must be mouse clicked and despite having the seen active time manuevers a few times before this, they don't understand that's incorrect unless someone tells them. That leads to failure because depending on the mouse or joint problems in your hand you won't be able to click that fast.

So if someone fails, ask if they're using mouse/keyboard and let them know the button doesn't have to be clicked. Instead, they can just rapidly mash keyboard buttons. They'll learn something new and they'll have a better experience for it while the group will hopefully stop wiping.

If they don't know by SoS, and fail a second time after being told to just roll their entire face across the keyboard. Kick em, maybe report if you wanna feel spicy. That's just trolling at that point.

[Iyrnthota]

While I agree that it should be changed to just a single player kill rather than a group wipe, your reasoning is bad logic.

Otherwise, they'd never make any mechanic where you can quite clearly see a player killing you with. You think a party isn't going to put a person on speaker if someone brings that AoE into a stack marker? Or even later in the fight, when the GA-100 marker goes out along with the stack marker and its extremely evident who its on? Or the party bullying the tanks if one of them presses the LB3 incorrectly and wipe to the following attack? In all those situations you don't even need a giant flashing arrow to know exactly who screwed up and can put the lights on for wiping the group. Highlighting who messed up would be no different than any other mechanic that causes a person to kill the whole party with.

All fair points, but I think the difference comes down to how visible it is. Logically speaking, if they have no issue with you idenitfying the "problem player" then they should have no issue with parsing. Yet they do.

Giving it some thought, I reckon it might be to do with how visible it is, or rather, how easy it is to hide.
Someone bringing an AoE into a stack marker, there really isn't any way to hide that without compromising the integrity of the fight itself.

Something less visually obvious, such as who is not doing enough damage, or who didn't faceroll their keyboard enough during an ATM, is much easier to mask.

[Rueby]

Ah QTEs are poorly implemented imo, they show you a big button and I think to anyone they expect to click it (I know I did when I was new) as opposed to just facerolling your keyboard. SoS QTE is rough in the case of 'if you don't break your keyboard you'll die'.

5.3 was a fun time to run trial roulette....

[LilyPendragon]

I disagree. The game should have more (not very difficult) mechanics that simply do not allow the player to clear until it's done correctly. It's ok to wipe when learning. Vote abandon is always an option if someone is trolling.

I disagree kind of. In this particular instance, one person failing should not wipe the party, it's a stupid gimmick and shouldn't be in the game anyway (roll your face over the keyboard events), but I'd like to see more punishing mechanics that can wipe the party in normal mode. Actual mechanics though, not Starcraft APM simulator for 5 seconds, they're not interesting, or particularly challenging, just worthless. Also kind of cruel if you have carpal or RSI.

[Darnath]

Also factor in this ATB works completely different from all the others in the past (well, in terms of normal mode content)

Before it was just hit the button until you fill and success.

This one is "randomly smash buttons for 15 seconds, even if you managed to fill the bar, don't stop!"

[Bunnycake]

Y'all forget some folks have hand problems when it comes to button mash as fast as you can. I recall people bringing this issue up.

[LilyPendragon]

Y'all forget some folks have hand problems when it comes to button mash as fast as you can. I recall people bringing this issue up.

Yep, people like to harp on about muh accessibility nowadays, but those ATM's could actually present issues to people with bad carpal tunnel.