SoS Normal, why the mandatory active time event?

[Bsrking5]

Instead of votekicking, maybe explain to that person how it works?

A lot of PC players assume the button in the middle of the screen must be mouse clicked and despite having the seen active time manuevers a few times before this, they don't understand that's incorrect unless someone tells them. That leads to failure because depending on the mouse or joint problems in your hand you won't be able to click that fast.

So if someone fails, ask if they're using mouse/keyboard and let them know the button doesn't have to be clicked. Instead, they can just rapidly mash keyboard buttons. They'll learn something new and they'll have a better experience for it while the group will hopefully stop wiping.

If they don't know by SoS, and fail a second time after being told to just roll their entire face across the keyboard. Kick em, maybe report if you wanna feel spicy. That's just trolling at that point.

[Jojoya]

If they don't know by SoS, and fail a second time after being told to just roll their entire face across the keyboard. Kick em, maybe report if you wanna feel spicy. That's just trolling at that point.

Why would they know by the time they get to SoS when failing it in the other duties with it doesn't wipe the party? Most trial parties I'm in shrug when the sprouts die, finish the trial and leave while the sprout is still watching the Duty Complete cutscene. Unless there was a wipe (extremely rare in other normal trials with the event), it's not likely anyone is going to stop to explain.

You can't assume someone is trolling just because they fail the same mechanic a couple of times in a row. What if the player is a non-English speaker and so can't understand the explanation given for the mechanic? How many party members would be willing to sort through the auto-translate trying to find phrases that would explain it sufficiently?

SoS QTE is rough in the case of 'if you don't break your keyboard you'll die'.

It's actually not that demanding on the player. The rapid drop at the start is a fake out to add a sense of panic and urgency. Tapping just as rapidly as you would in any other encounter is sufficient.

[Rueby]

Ah QTEs are poorly implemented imo, they show you a big button and I think to anyone they expect to click it (I know I did when I was new) as opposed to just facerolling your keyboard. SoS QTE is rough in the case of 'if you don't break your keyboard you'll die'.

5.3 was a fun time to run trial roulette....

[Darnath]

Also factor in this ATB works completely different from all the others in the past (well, in terms of normal mode content)

Before it was just hit the button until you fill and success.

This one is "randomly smash buttons for 15 seconds, even if you managed to fill the bar, don't stop!"

[Bunnycake]

Y'all forget some folks have hand problems when it comes to button mash as fast as you can. I recall people bringing this issue up.

[LilyPendragon]

Y'all forget some folks have hand problems when it comes to button mash as fast as you can. I recall people bringing this issue up.

Yep, people like to harp on about muh accessibility nowadays, but those ATM's could actually present issues to people with bad carpal tunnel.

[Bukachu]

love how friendly community of critically aclaimed MMO goes on "hehe kick underperformers" rampage when it benefits them. LOL

[Liam_Harper]

Honestly I don't get why this is something the community defend. It's like they don't really care if it's a bad feature or not, they just see another opportunity to disagree with someone else and spout "git gud" and "kick the bads" (when they're probably quite bad at the game themselves anyway).

There is no point in the ATE. It's not a skill check. It's not a mechanic to figure out. It's not an interesting part of the fight. Just mash random buttons. There is zero reason failing it should result in a group wipe. Fairly simple.

Yet here we all are arguing about it anyway, just for the sake of arguing.

[ICountFrom0]

Honestly I don't get why this is something the community defend.

I don't think anybody is actually defending the QTE as good. I've not seen a single person say that they LIKE it, and look forward to it.

[TaleraRistain]

Honestly I don't get why this is something the community defend. It's like they don't really care if it's a bad feature or not, they just see another opportunity to disagree with someone else and spout "git gud" and "kick the bads" (when they're probably quite bad at the game themselves anyway).

There is no point in the ATE. It's not a skill check. It's not a mechanic to figure out. It's not an interesting part of the fight. Just mash random buttons. There is zero reason failing it should result in a group wipe. Fairly simple.

Yet here we all are arguing about it anyway, just for the sake of arguing.

Yeah it's just a gotcha and unfortunately these things that wipe the party or entire raid (looking at you Nald'Thal) really brings out the toxicity toward someone and the instant calls of being a troll when they may have just missed something about it. All the people in this thread who want to know exactly who did it so they can kick them just fuel that idea.

They should probably keep this sort of thing in solo duties and not invite this in group content. Keep success and failure there just on figuring out and performing the mechanics and tanking/dps/healing.