Poor Savage reward system

[Absimiliard]

The only way I even get to set foot in EX/savage content is by pugging it. It's a long and grueling process on its own, but potentially getting screwed out of gear at the end on top of everything else is.... aggravating, to put it mildly. They really need to change the way the loot system works to be something a lot less static-centric.

[Absurdity]

If chest is "BiS" does that mean don't upgrade your chest until you get the BiS? What if the non-upgraded tomestone chest is better than what you current have? Should you stick with the i610 crafted piece? Or the i600 raid piece?

Yes, because it often just isn't better. You're wasting 2 weeks of tomestones on a piece that is 100% going to get replaced and, if it has skill/spell speed for example, might not even be an upgrade since it changes your GCD.

I literally had the case last raid tier where replacing my crafted tank ring with the tomestone one was a DPS loss until I had almost full BiS. The fact that I had spent 375 tomestones on an item that made me deal less damage despite the 10 ilvl increase was actually pretty funny.

[dspguy]

See that's an excuse. Time keeping is archaic and not needed today. Content will ALWAYS be alive people will still play it. Let everyone gear up as they should be able. Not take months to gear up 1 I repeat 1 class.

I would agree, if engaging these enemies that drop chests wasn't just a matter of opening a window and clicking a few buttons to engage. (Of course, I'm not commenting on the difficulty or ease of defeating these enemies in savage content).

What if instead of simply fighting these bosses... you had to farm drops from world contested mobs - something like S-ranks. You had to pop them in the zone and be the first to engage and you'd get at token. Once you have X tokens, you can get into the instance and get 2 chests. Even if you already cleared it for the week.

I get why time-gated it for a week might be extreme, but what if the other option was a grind in order to get more drops during the week?

[VerdeLuck]

I would agree, if engaging these enemies that drop chests wasn't just a matter of opening a window and clicking a few buttons to engage. (Of course, I'm not commenting on the difficulty or ease of defeating these enemies in savage content).

What if instead of simply fighting these bosses... you had to farm drops from world contested mobs - something like S-ranks. You had to pop them in the zone and be the first to engage and you'd get at token. Once you have X tokens, you can get into the instance and get 2 chests. Even if you already cleared it for the week.

I get why time-gated it for a week might be extreme, but what if the other option was a grind in order to get more drops during the week?

This just seems to be "what if this system people don't like was worse?". Which, yeah it can be much worse than it is now I guess, but, that's not the point.
The point is that the system sucks for those who can't commit to a static schedule or can't find a static to raid with. There's a large number of people who use PF to clear this content because of that.
The rewards structure shouldn't be designed in a way that screws them over for doing the same content but in a different way. There's plenty of ways to change gear drops that wouldn't affect statics, but would make PF raiding much more tolerable.

Limiting people who already have earned specific drops to greed on those for future runs, so that first time players have a better chance to get geared up on 1 job instead of 1 player being BiS on 3 jobs and other players not having it on 1 job.
Reducing the cost of items purchased with books to reduce the maximum amount of time that it takes you to gear up in the worst case situation, where you don't get a single item drop during a tier and you have to purchase everything through books.

Both of those would go a long way to make the bad system better, and wouldn't affect static players' ability to feed gear to their DPS or portion gear out at a normal rate, nor would it let them cheese the system to have extra gear early in the tier either.
There's probably plenty more possible solutions, aside from giving theoreticals about how it could be worse as to why it's ok as it is now.

[Packetdancer]

What if instead of simply fighting these bosses... you had to farm drops from world contested mobs - something like S-ranks. You had to pop them in the zone and be the first to engage and you'd get at token. Once you have X tokens, you can get into the instance and get 2 chests. Even if you already cleared it for the week.

If someone spots an S-rank, calls it out on a hunt linkshell, and some other group comes along and goes "Oh, hey, an S-rank!" and kills it, the amount of vitriol and salt that erupts is the stuff of legends.

If in addition those S-ranks dropped tokens that let you get additional drops of savage gear per week, you would not only see the existing levels of vitriol, but you would actively incentivize sniping those mobs as soon as you saw them -- and statics would feel like they had to go snap them up the instant anyone reported seeing them.

There would be bloodshed. People would be ripping out the hearts of their rivals and eating them, while baying at the moon.

More seriously, we have seen on other games when things like that happen, a group that wants an advantage will go to absurd ends. Including trying to get their rivals actually banned. And if you think I'm making that up, that's a real-world example; folks figured out how to game New World's automatic ban system and would use that to kick the opposing faction offline prior to PvP 'wars' over contested territory, so they could more easily seize new towns.

[Kaliesto]

"This content is objectively unfun because I can't clear it"

No, I just think its not fun at all.

Why put yourself through that amount of stress when it stops being fun? I wouldn't bother, and do something else.

[FireMage]

No, I just think its not fun at all.

Why put yourself through that amount of stress when it stops being fun? I wouldn't bother, and do something else.

No, they're correct. You're whinging due to incapability. Also your earlier point was wrong, half is not small by any means

[Kaliesto]

No, they're correct. You're whinging due to incapability. Also your earlier point was wrong, half is not small by any means

Sure keep attacking me because you'll hurt from what I said, sounds like you all need to get a grip when the opinion is not the same as yours.

Also yes Savage Players is small, you're not counting the huge amount of casual players else that PF list would be skyrocketingly large.

I don't consider one page of PF Savage to be big, if it was 3 pages then yes that is a significant.

Welcome to the ignore list, could have chose your words better.

[FireMage]

Sure keep attacking me because you'll hurt from what I said, sounds like you all need to get a grip when the opinion is not the same as yours.

Welcome to the ignore list.

Someone needs an echo chamber

[Kaliesto]

Someone needs an echo chamber

Get a life, how about stop being rude?