Unpopular opinion on G'raha Tia (spoilers)

[Adamantini]

Not at all.

I am just noting that, to my knowledge at least, other than here I have not heard this sentiment from anyone on OCE.

so I can assume that, since you're so accurate in your answer, you've already done this research, and you can show us the result.

[Boblawblah]

so I can assume that, since you're so accurate in your answer, you've already done this research, and you can show us the result.

how does saying "I don't think 5 people is a significant amount of people" and "to my knowledge at least" imply that his 'answer is 100% correct'? What do you even mean with "since you're so accurate in your answer"? Are you agreeing with him?

[Darthgummibear]

Oh oh. Watch out guys, someone here got mad

He just loves starting arguments with people.

[Kozh]

He was always very self-deprecating and saying you were great at everything, and a recurring theme of talking about events as history will record them.

If anything, maybe the Exarch's personality has toned down his brash side, and given him a whole lot more people to fanboy over because he knows the heroics they went on to perform in the other timeline.

Please, not even young g'raha is that cringe and childish compared to current g'raha. He doesn't openly fanboy over people nor acting all shy. Current g'raha is combination of all the bad things of both young g'raha and Exarch. Also archer>blm

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative (even though it's unnecessary as well tbh). Let g'raha be g'raha, instead of this mess of a character. Fine if they want him to join the scions, but I think it'll fit him better if he's like riol, who do his own thing instead of joining the A team. Have him adventure and research history on his own, but also answer our call of help should we need it.

[Adamantini]

how does saying "I don't think 5 people is a significant amount of people" and "to my knowledge at least" imply that his 'answer is 100% correct'? What do you even mean with "since you're so accurate in your answer"? Are you agreeing with him?

I explain.

He started by arguing that 5-6 people is not a significant sample. Soon after, he says that anyone he knows has no complaints about the characters, and that the forum itself is not a good sample.

So I would like to understand on the basis of what he claims or not that: the group that likes the way that Graha is being used is significantly larger than the group that doesn't think the character is being used well.

with respect to "since you're so accurate in your answer" is between commas. If you know how to use them well, you'll see that I'm not saying he's right, but I'm assuming he's confident about it.

He just loves starting arguments with people.

well, in this case I must agree with him, since here is a forum for discussions. The problem will be if he does like most people here, and simply runs away when asked.

EDIT: I edited the previous message for not expressing myself very well and seeming offensive

[TofuPenguin]

He's the only scion I like but only because he's so new that he hasn't gotten on my nerves yet.
But yes, he should have had his exit in ShB. It would have given his character more weight.

[Midareyukki]

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative (even though it's unnecessary as well tbh). Let g'raha be g'raha, instead of this mess of a character.

I'm guessing they wanted G'raha to have natural progression. As in, it'd be too awkward for people spending an entire expansion and a half with G'raha as The Exarch to suddenly see him be his old energetic and investigative self.

The issue is that we're only given a glimpse of his Exarch self in Endwalker once. And that's when he steps up to tell the people of Radz to take shelter and calm their collective mammary glands.

Sure, he's always admired us. He's always wanted to have an adventure with us; he's had two of them. But he's not some puppy dog whose ears flare up at the mere mention of heroic figures. During the ARR raids, he struck me as someone who would have kept his cool, even if he was admiring the person. Now he's just an anime trope...

...just like making Y'shtola's younger self a magical girl...

It all just feels so unnecessary. He's such an interesting character who CAN offer a bit more if allowed, but his personality is just degraded and cliché. It's not sober.

I'll be honest, I fail to see his purpose. I understand his character and motivations, I just don't get his role in the group. Thancred is the big guy, Y'shtola is the smart Chick doubling as a power bomb, Urianger has become the smart guy Team Mom who teaches people to be kind and understanding of those they cannot comprehend at face value. Alisaie is our Lancer who Red Oni\Blue Oni's with her brother who's the team strategist and diplomat. Tataru is the Rowena and Krile is the older version of Alphinaud but with a more limited sphere of influence: she serves as liaison to some groups that the party can't just simply approach without rubbing anyone off. And we're the Hero, the designated party leader.
G'raha is... smart, yes. Investigative, but we already have 3 of those. He's strong, but not really a tank anymore, he's just combat-capable. What is he? Morality chain pet? Love interest\Emotional core? And what does he bring to the narrative? The experienced one who's seen Hell and can guide people through the darkest of times? Well, that's really only ever surfaced once since, if he's just gonna be like that all the time, then I worry for the people we meet.

[Iscah]

Personally I'm not the type who want characters to be killed once they complete their story. But I think the handled g'raha the wrong way. He shouldn't have received the Exarch's memory, only his soul if they really want to push the "Exarch doesn't really die you guys" narrative

I think that's the opposite of how he should have been handled. The soul is the key part of the person that you can say they are still alive or not.

The Exarch could have saved his memories into the crystal and then truly died – still asking us to promise to take him on an adventure, but the other him – and it would have been a fitting end for that character to die there; he has given his all and his life's work is complete. Furthermore, it has been a running thread through Shadowbringers that the cycle of life and death and remembrance is the natural way of things and that the Exarch's unnatural immortality was a necessary but undesirable choice that he is now freed from.

Meanwhile, passing on his memories seems very much in character, because as a historian that is really valuable information for his other self – not only current history as it unfolds, but a glimpse of an alternate future that can be contrasted with the one he sees play out. Plus he's probably spent a lot of time reading Allagan books stored in the tower.

I could see it working not as an all-at-once memory dump but something that just bubbles to the surface randomly as he is prompted to recall things.

[Iscah]

making Y'shtola's younger self a magical girl

There's a difference between "making her a magical girl" and showing her casting one spell magical-girl style, which is what we got.

For me, that is actually really relatable because it's her, as an adult, having to perform a chant she invented when she was seven years old. I can imagine the embarrassment if I had to do the same.

[aveyond-dreams]

There's a difference between "making her a magical girl" and showing her casting one spell magical-girl style, which is what we got.

For me, that is actually really relatable because it's her, as an adult, having to perform a chant she invented when she was seven years old. I can imagine the embarrassment if I had to do the same.

From my perspective it was a ridiculous scene that only made her character even more insufferable and added next to nothing. Yoship himself called it out as an example of going to far away from what her character is supposed to be. (What a pit that he never said the same of the many nonsensical scenes involving G'raha Tia.) The sole positive aspect of it was the English version's brief reprise of that VA's Titania voice, though that only brings the sting of the fact that aside from flying pigs the faeries have no further role to play in this story.