desperate times calls for desperate measures ( classes balance )

[Mikey_R]

The fights just would become gear gated if anything. And FFXIV never made it such a case.

They did once way back in A4S at which point the community made it known that they generally didn't like that fights were gated behind gear, ie. it should be a test of mechanics, not gear. I believe groups needed multiple tome weapons before they had the required DPS to clear the fight, so the fight was essentially gated for a couple of weeks because of that.

[Hussain]

Oh no, you might not be able to clear week 1, the horror.

huh? literally has nothing to do with anything
you're just a troll , keep going it's fun to look at what you write

[FlareVyzar]

They did once way back in A4S at which point the community made it known that they generally didn't like that fights were gated behind gear, ie. it should be a test of mechanics, not gear. I believe groups needed multiple tome weapons before they had the required DPS to clear the fight, so the fight was essentially gated for a couple of weeks because of that.

Then the Devs learned from it and stopped doing it which has not been the case till now. But then that proves the point even more that they have to balance things around min ilvl else it becomes gear gated regardless of player skill. Because gear provides way too much of a gap in the first place to make up for how much one can push with variance & rng.

[Hussain]

It means if you clear the fight week 1, congrats you did good, but the fights are meant to be cleared at specific ilvls....its called progression. The numbers are balanced around potential output players will do when in max ilvl gear, not early tier gear they are wearing two weeks into the content that lasts several months.

Its why you see such a shift in numbers as the tier progresses over the weeks and people start getting their BiS. Its like this in literally every stat based game. Some jobs simply scale better than others with gear.

Everything you said goes against a certain comp lmao
if you jump into the final floor with specific classes you kill it EASILY , so your whole point is just wrong
but yeah keep defending this shit job balance dude , you don't look funny at all

[Shuuli]

It means if you clear the fight week 1, congrats you did good, but the fights are meant to be cleared at specific ilvls....its called progression. The numbers are balanced around potential output players will do when in max ilvl gear, not early tier gear they are wearing two weeks into the content that lasts several months.
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I thought the devs were famously stating you can clear any content with any comp.

Honestly, what you say goes against this. I have lot of friends who like to do actual challenges and do everything in MINE (Minimum ilevel no echo). And you SHOULD be able to clear with minimum ilevel with ANY comp...
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The specific ilevel to clear should be the ilevel requirement set for the content... in my opinion. (Isnt that 610 for this content?)

[Hussain]

I thought the devs were famously stating you can clear any content with any comp.

Honestly, what you say goes against this. I have lot of friends who like to do actual challenges and do everything in MINE (Minimum ilevel no echo). And you SHOULD be able to clear with minimum ilevel with ANY comp...

The specific ilevel to clear should be the ilevel requirement set for the content... in my opinion.

Exactly
this dude says you're not suppose to be able to clear week 1 cause gear progress...etc but then when you go with the right comp you just smash the final floor easily , which means really bad class balance. everyone knows this except that ransu dude

[Zarkovitch]

If I was week 1 static I would be piss to see my job being not viable. Esp when the game have monthly subcription and have a timed gated on my face.Peeps would defended the devs yall need open your eyes on reality. They will repeat the mistakes. It matter of time and when it will happended. Right now they are like "Yeah we somewhat did a mistake. Let's fix this on 6.25". Because of this error some players are going to unsubbed. I dislike they repeat somewhat the same error as Alex. I'm survivor of this error. I tell you something from experience. When that happended I couldnt never raid and prog A4S due to this on my server because people give up. That's was time when there was no cross world, no cross data center.

[T-Owl]

It means if you clear the fight week 1, congrats you did good, but the fights are meant to be cleared at specific ilvls....its called progression. The numbers are balanced around potential output players will do when in max ilvl gear, not early tier gear they are wearing two weeks into the content that lasts several months.

Its why you see such a shift in numbers as the tier progresses over the weeks and people start getting their BiS. Its like this in literally every stat based game. Some jobs simply scale better than others with gear.

The issue trickles down though. If Week 1 raiders, often the best of the best, have issues clearing the raid with certain comps, it will automatically affect players on lower skill levels who need higher level gear to clear as well, as certain comps will still perform worse than others.

[CKNovel]

Jobs shouldn't be balanced around week-one clears of one fight in a new savage tier.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

They should be equally balanced and bring something valuable to the group table.
Week 1 statistics are a consequence of MCH bringing bottled water when the DNC just arrived with KFC Buckets.

If all jobs are "balanced" then we would see a more balanced number of clear rate among jobs.
Week 1 is where the unbalancing have the more consequence, the more you move on with gearing up your job, the less the discrepancy is important.

Thought, the MCH will still bring bottled water and DNC KFC buckets.

[Supersnow845]

Jobs shouldn't be balanced around week-one clears of one fight in a new savage tier.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

If they aren’t balanced around that, what the hell are they balanced around