desperate times calls for desperate measures ( classes balance )

[Kalaam]

The issue is that even good players can't clear the fight with some jobs despite the claim that "any job can clear".
If it's supposed to be on equal footing, why should some jobs have to wait week 2 or 3 to have a chance at clearing with the same consistency as other did weeks prior ?

[Hussain]

I'm not, but you can have fun believing whatever. Not my fault you have a bad static that forces you off MCH.

I choose to play dnc cause I can clear week 1. it's the game's fault that the balance is really bad

[Hussain]

The issue is that even good players can't clear the fight with some jobs despite the claim that "any job can clear".
If it's supposed to be on equal footing, why should some jobs have to wait week 2 or 3 to have a chance at clearing with the same consistency as other did weeks prior ?

that person is just clueless. that's why I said "moving on"

[Kalaam]

that person is just clueless. that's why I said "moving on"

You're right.

[MagiusNecros]

The issue is that even good players can't clear the fight with some jobs despite the claim that "any job can clear".
If it's supposed to be on equal footing, why should some jobs have to wait week 2 or 3 to have a chance at clearing with the same consistency as other did weeks prior ?

Because there is a meta comp and they purposely release the fights while you are undergeared for the illusion of challenge where all jobs can clear when they are properly geared for the fight. It's artificial difficulty and they have done this for years.

It's nothing new.

Doesn't make it right but that's how they do the fights. I imagine raiders feel pretty bad when they can't clear on their favorite job because the job has lower DPS then another in the same role through no fault of their own.

[Ransu]

I choose to play dnc cause I can clear week 1. it's the game's fault that the balance is really bad

Oh no, you might not be able to clear week 1, the horror.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Jobs shouldn't be balanced around week-one clears of one fight in a new savage tier.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[fulminating]

Jobs shouldn't be balanced around week-one clears of one fight in a new savage tier.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

care to elaborate?

[Ransu]

care to elaborate?

It means if you clear the fight week 1, congrats you did good, but the fights are meant to be cleared at specific ilvls....its called progression. The numbers are balanced around potential output players will do when in max ilvl gear, not early tier gear they are wearing two weeks into the content that lasts several months.

Its why you see such a shift in numbers as the tier progresses over the weeks and people start getting their BiS. Its like this in literally every stat based game. Some jobs simply scale better than others with gear.

[FlareVyzar]

It means if you clear the fight week 1, congrats you did good, but the fights are meant to be cleared at specific ilvls....its called progression. The numbers are balanced around potential output players will do when in max ilvl gear, not early tier gear they are wearing two weeks into the content that lasts several months.

Its why you see such a shift in numbers as the tier progresses over the weeks and people start getting their BiS. Its like this in literally every stat based game. Some jobs simply scale better than others with gear.

This logic makes 0 sense. There is a reason why the Developers release content and label it at "min ilvl" which is essentially week 1 ilvl. They balance content to make it clearable on week 1 itself. It is even written on the page to queue in savage in game itself or any content to begin with.

If they balanced content around later weeks gear, say i630 for example. This makes contents become "gear gated" and it is not a matter of good or bad players here.

No one will be able to clear content if the minimum required output is that of i630 instead of i610. Regardless of player skill level. The difference in damage will be way too much.

Assume a top tier sam would do 10k at i610 and 12k at i630. That is a 2k diff on its own.
An average sam would do 9.5k at i610 and 11.5k at i630, excluding rng
A bad sam would do 8k at i610 and 10k at i630.

So if you are going to balance jobs at the max ilvl especially in ffxiv, even a top tier player at any given job would not be able to clear it at min ilvl. Because it in turn applies 8x more in a party of 8. And they have the same skill level.

The fights just would become gear gated if anything. And FFXIV never made it such a case.