The Men FFXIV Needs

[Allegor]

As a female roe player, I am in constant suffering when the modelers spend 3 months perfecting every physics feature on catgirls and lalas but our hair literally clips through our breasts if they're too big and the blocky hip to shoulder ratio makes so many glamours look like they just took the model, enlarged it, and slapped it on a plank of wood. Even if they added any of this, they'd get no support whatsoever. Glamours would look subpar and I swear the only reason we even get Roegadyn NPCs most of the time is because it was an afterthought.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

[TheSuperior]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

That's a good way to put it. I like tall girls, I like their unconventional beauty, but I hate how limited my options are when I want to dress my WoL in something new and oops, the model at the chest is tearing apart like a mod someone whipped up.

Actual gear, the same quality as a gear mod. You know, the stuff that's supposed to be shoddy because it's a hobby work.

[Midareyukki]

As a female roe player, I am in constant suffering when the modelers spend 3 months perfecting every physics feature on catgirls and lalas but our hair literally clips through our breasts if they're too big and the blocky hip to shoulder ratio makes so many glamours look like they just took the model, enlarged it, and slapped it on a plank of wood. Even if they added any of this, they'd get no support whatsoever. Glamours would look subpar and I swear the only reason we even get Roegadyn NPCs most of the time is because it was an afterthought.

I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Roegadyn aren't what people who like big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like. Hrothgar are overall in a worst condition, but hey, at least I have a waistline now.

Yee, Roegadyn are too stereotypical for their own good. They're too easily memed and often are picked for caricatures. They're what people think men who are into bara like about bara.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.



Yee, Roegadyn are too stereotypical for their own good. They're too easily memed and often are picked for caricatures. They're what people think men who are into bara like about bara.

And Hrothgar are also memed being the furry large bara cat daddies you constantly see online. I still prefer roes over hroth as they at least dont hunch over.

[Midareyukki]

And Hrothgar are also memed being the furry large bara cat daddies you constantly see online. I still prefer roes over hroth as they at least dont hunch over.

Not as much

Especially not in-game. Hrothgar NPCs are usually portrayed as either really cute, stern or valorous. Roegadyn are memed way too often, even now. Proof? Try our emotes, you'll see.

Try saying that when we have something like Mr. Face as a Hrothgar.

also, why do you think we keep asking Square to remove the hunchback, believe me, not even we like looking like we're constipated all the time...

Square should honestly look into it, since a lot of people have already manifested their displeasure at the hunch. At least make it a toggleable option. (Yes, it's edited >.> Atelier has the original one anyway, so it's not like I'm hiding what I wrote, just that I know people will jump on this and the mods aren't in the mood to read through the lines).

[Atelier-Bagur]

Not as much

Especially not in-game. Hrothgar NPCs are usually portrayed as either really cute, stern or valorous. Roegadyn are memed way too often, even now. Proof? Try our emotes, you'll see.

Try saying that when we have something like Mr. Face as a Hrothgar.

also, why do you think we keep asking Square to remove the hunchback, believe me, not even we like looking like we're constipated all the time...

which is something fans have ALSO fixed illegally!

btw you do realize actual mods still can read these posts right? Not saying people will be snitching but I would be cautious about personally admitting use of 3rd party addons.

[Midareyukki]

btw you do realize actual mods still can read these posts right? Not saying people will be snitching but I would be cautious about personally admitting use of 3rd party addons.

I never said that I used third party tools. Nor told people to. But I know people will jump that gun harder than a Dragoon at a target. I'll just say this:

It's no lie that there are stuff out there that have fixed those things. We say it all the time so that Square is aware of what's going on: that a lot of people resort to modding specifically because they themselves don't do anything to solve the issues races have but that fans keep pointing out. The more and longer they let stuff pass, the more those are provided. I know it's dangerous to admit their existence at all... but if I get shot it's because the mods tend to shoot first and ask questions never. Regardless, at this point Square really needs to pay attention.

No one's asking or telling you to mod. Just that this is a thing that fans have addressed themselves, and Square really should be the one doing it, not them.

If not for the hunchback which has been claimed by several people here to be among the major detriments to playing Hrothgar, then for other stuff like hairstyles and headgear. If there's anything to learn from 3rd party tools and mods, which Square implied they were looking into to offer the same in a legal way into the game, then this is one such case.

But we'll see. I know a lot of petty people lurk the forums, they make up over half the threads anyway. If you don't hear from me for a few weeks, you'll know what happened someone didn't like me calling Square out on where they're letting things slip, and I got shot for it.

Meh, I dont personally find default roes an issue that needed to be "fixed". It can certainly be improved just like with all other races but not in the means that they arent appealing.

The issue is that most of those things aren't fixes, nor even necessary. They're aesthetic changes.
I'd call "Fixes" the stuff that straighten Hrothgar spines, the stuff that fix their hairstyles or headgear. Roegadyn don't need any immediate fix like that, so all the stuff you find are minimal and, as said before, unnecessary.

Still :P I'll edit it so it's less egregious.

To be fair, condoning mods doesn't necessarily mean using them. Heck, just google 'male Roegadyn' (under your own risk) and most results are modded, or links to the mods themselves. If anything, it gets to show how "meh" the race feels by default that a sizable amount of its players have to resort risking a ban to "fix" their characters.

Except I don't condone their use. I only did so once, out of sheer frustration. But it's a dangerous slippery slope, and for all intents and purposes, Square does not want to see them used. But there is no denying. Among all the garbage and the crap there are things that fans use out of accessiblity and fairness, things that Square has not met expectations on. Things Square lied to us about, only for those fans then disproving them on stream.

[SturmChurro]

I was a male Roe before going Hrothgar. I loved my Roegadyn. Making glamours for him was an absolute pain. I like to think it worked out because I got approached by Zepla once and she complimented my Machinist glam mid-stream (; _ ; thanks sis), but good bloody lord the experience is horrid. Do you guys have any idea how easily Roegadyn turn into Brunnhilde singing the opera when wearing any plate armour?! It's clear that Square treats Roegadyn like a meme race, when they really shouldn't.

Hrothgar at least can make more stuff work, but we're missing headgear anyway, and stuff clips through my mane. But I knew what I would get myself into when I chose to go lion at least. I was not expecting my waistline to be inexistant as a Roegadyn.

Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

[Vahlnir]

Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

I have a friend who treats their own roe the same way. Silly outfits and all. It's definitely a thing. Even they have told me that they view male oe as a "joke" race. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but there's definitely a precedent. Their roe also makes one heck of a Santa Claus, I won't lie. They seem to enjoy playing the race and that's what matters. It also provides some entertainment for others.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Frankly, a lot of male roe players treat their race as a meme race, from what I've seen. More players I've seen who want a more serious, masculine, character will play highlander or au ra instead, and if they don't like those options: midlander. I'd say the majority of the time I see a male roe, they are in some joke outfit, like with bright metallic dyes, a moogle head, paws, etc. With hrothgar, I see a bit less of that, but I do see a lot of.. other outfits, that I probably shouldn't go into too much detail on the forums.

I dont want to detract from the fun and interests of people, but I'm glad I'm one of the minor few whom play a roe male and take their character seriously. That means no meme or overly goofy glams for their jobs. We're a rare breed.